I actually do agree; we gave fucking Iraq monkey-model Abrams, Ukraine is far, far more technically and tactically competent.
Monkey-model Abrams wouldn't give Ukraine anything particularly technologically unique or advanced except better survivability due to NATO vs Soviet ammo storage doctrines.
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They most likely already had a good look at the monkey models in one of the Arab armies, through Iran's influence in Iraq if nothing else earlier.
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Nothing compared to the political delays happening there. Shorter than training the tankers would take.
Even that would be on par with most T-80's and the like, easily.
Same issue as Leopard 1's, these may be less capable than even T-72M's from eastern NATO.
Yup, they could handle it, but we are talking worse readiness and something like half extra fuel consumption at least over other western MBTs, nevermind the lighter eastern tanks. Even double with older models that have no APU, so Leopard 2 would be more optimal.
sell, not give. sell
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Considering these are democrats, just wait for them to be the ones getting swindled in dealing with commies.
Funnily enough I had been wondering about Moldova exploiting the situation and invading its rebel-controlled territory ...Moldova's Foreign Minister stated a Ukrainian "Victory" Could Signal the Peaceful Withdrawal of Russian troops from Transnistria in a peaceful settlement of the issue.
Moldovan foreign minister: Ukraine’s victory could lead to Russia’s exit from Transnistria
Moldova wants and expects Russia’s defeat in Ukraine for Russian troops to withdraw “through peaceful means” from occupied Transnistria, Nicu Popescu, Moldova’s foreign minister, told Vocea Basarabiei on...news.yahoo.com
Auction, not sell. Auction.
face, but I'm not entirely joking, either.
Challenger 2s are being sent to Ukraone from UK.The innovative solution a friend of mine forwarded was that the US could promise Ukraine all the gear they could recover or capture...from the Taliban. Two birds with one stone! It's ingenieoyus, right?
Auction, not sell. Auction.
That's my objection to the Abrams-transfer.
Those tanks were bought by US taxpayer dollars. US taxpayers should damn-well have the opportunity to outbid Ukraine's MoD for possession of the things!
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Anyhow, my totally-in-the-dark ignorant-civvie spitball is that tanks are going to be a line not crossed until at least the end of winter. Don't have much to base that on other than assumption that maybe it lets Germany get away with something, maybe eases logistics transferring things (I presume they'd be coming out of the US/NATO big-ass storage depots in...Norway, I think they are?), and maybe gives Ukraine time to source/stage fuel and maybe to send trainees out to Poland (who, conveniently enough, have to train their own tankers on the new Abrams the US is selling them...What a coinky-dink).
If the founding fathers owned personal cannons, then we should own personal tanks.That's my objection to the Abrams-transfer.
Those tanks were bought by US taxpayer dollars. US taxpayers should damn-well have the opportunity to outbid Ukraine's MoD for possession of the things!
