Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Megadeath]

They are simply lobbing shells and then advancing over the rubble.

😂🤣😂

 

[AnimalNoodles]

And why would i believe that considering your Baghdad Bob level connection with reality and basics of military doctrine?
They are pouring reserves into the line at Bakhmut because there the reserves can inflict massively disproportionate losses on Russians. That's it.

The average lifespan of the conscripts is 4 hours, perhaps a little longer. Why? This is an artillery war, not a war of vast infantry rushes. And Russia has more.

How many of these do they have? 20 prototypes, like with T-14?

No, its in widespread use.

Is it as precise as their apartment block seeking cruise missiles from mid cold war?
Ukraine is increasingly reliant on more accurate western made artillery, hence numbers are mattering less, because one does not win wars by cratering fields, if you can hit the enemy with less shots that's even better than having impressive numbers of 1943 vintage howitzers that look nicely in propaganda numbers and are excellent at cratering huge fields, but definitely aren't anywhere near equal in performance to a M777 or Caesar.

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Russia has lots of good modern artillery. Even the pentagon admits as such. The M777s are mostly gone now. Why? They are broken down. They are also being popped by counterbattery fire and lancets.

Russian casualty numbers disagree about the impunity.

Numbers? lets look at a less biased estimate of russian casualties

Russian casualties in Ukraine. Mediazona count, updated

Russian Dead according this: about about 12,500

Now, lets correlate this with what is claimed to be a leaked mossad casualty report
Ukrainian:
302 Aircraft
212 Helicopters
2,750 (S)I HA
6,320 Tanks and armored vehicles
7.360 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
497 Air defense system
157,000 Dead
234,000 injured
17,230 Captive
234 Dead – NATO military trainers (US and UK)
2,458 Dead – NATO soldiers (Germany, Poland, Lithuania, … )
5,360 Dead – Mercenaries


RUSSIA:
Russian losses in the field with 418,000 soldiers (plus 3,500,000 reservists) and a growing number of Wagner mercenaries:

23 Planes
56 Helicopters
200 (S)IHA
889 Tanks and armored vehicles
427 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
12 Air defense system
18,480 dead
44,500 Injured
323 Captive

Russian casualty rates are in the same ballpark in both.

Nearly a 10-1 rate. that isnt a rate destined to benefit Ukraine.

I would need exceptionally strong evidence to believe that contrary to all the conventional wisdom, in trench-artillery warfare the attacker is getting vastly favorable casualty ratios. You have none.
As such, you are a budget Baghdad Bob clone.

Again, Russia isnt launching mass infantry assaults. Its an artillery war..and russia has alot more of them. If you are mostly lobbing shells at each other, the side with most guns, wins.

Whatever bullshit source you are getting this stuff from is the real trap, for pumping your naive brain with propaganda.

Bakhmut may or may not hold, it has little strategic relevance beyond being a rock for the "vast reserve of men" Russia has to be crushed against as long as possible.

It isnt working. All it has done is pin a large percentage of the Ukrainian army in place.

Once it gets ground down, there will be more. If you don't believe western sources, check out what Strelkov (who was a major leader of separatists in 2014) and the like have to say about the Russian tactic of setting up "mini-Verduns", and who does such tactic favor casualty ratio wise.

Peace talks with Russia at this time are foolish and Americans or Ukrainians both are smart to scuttle them if they existed in the first place, which considering the narrative of Russian propaganda is questionable too. Don't throw the "anti war pacifist" bait talking points at me, it will achieve the opposite effect with me to the one they are expected to achieve.
Also i don't care about Israel's equivalent of democrat president.

Ukrainians didnt scuttle them by choice. The deal would have been good one for Ukraine. But the big GAE doesnt care about Ukrainian lives. All they care about is hurting Russia. And if 500,000 ukrainians have to die, so be it. They exist to only serve the foreign policy objectives of the neocons.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I don't know what's more futile.

Convincing vatniks that their propaganda is wrong.

Or the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

 

[Megadeath]

The average lifespan of the conscripts is 4 hours, perhaps a little longer. Why? This is an artillery war, not a war of vast infantry rushes. And Russia has more.



No, its in widespread use.



Russia has lots of good modern artillery. Even the pentagon admits as such. The M777s are mostly gone now. Why? They are broken down. They are also being popped by counterbattery fire and lancets.




Numbers? lets look at a less biased estimate of russian casualties

Russian casualties in Ukraine. Mediazona count, updated

Russian Dead according this: about about 12,500

Now, lets correlate this with what is claimed to be a leaked mossad casualty report
Ukrainian:
302 Aircraft
212 Helicopters
2,750 (S)I HA
6,320 Tanks and armored vehicles
7.360 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
497 Air defense system
157,000 Dead
234,000 injured
17,230 Captive
234 Dead – NATO military trainers (US and UK)
2,458 Dead – NATO soldiers (Germany, Poland, Lithuania, … )
5,360 Dead – Mercenaries


RUSSIA:
Russian losses in the field with 418,000 soldiers (plus 3,500,000 reservists) and a growing number of Wagner mercenaries:

23 Planes
56 Helicopters
200 (S)IHA
889 Tanks and armored vehicles
427 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
12 Air defense system
18,480 dead
44,500 Injured
323 Captive

Russian casualty rates are in the same ballpark in both.

Nearly a 10-1 rate. that isnt a rate destined to benefit Ukraine.



Again, Russia isnt launching mass infantry assaults. Its an artillery war..and russia has alot more of them. If you are mostly lobbing shells at each other, the side with most guns, wins.




It isnt working. All it has done is pin a large percentage of the Ukrainian army in place.



Ukrainians didnt scuttle them by choice. The deal would have been good one for Ukraine. But the big GAE doesnt care about Ukrainian lives. All they care about is hurting Russia. And if 500,000 ukrainians have to die, so be it. They exist to only serve the foreign policy objectives of the neocons.

If you truly believe Russia has a sustained 10:1 casualty rate, and that the result of that is Russia falling back on almost every axis of assault, with extremely incremental advance in one area, you are beyond help. The only way that makes sense is if the Ukrainian forces, who delayed mobilisation till after the last possible moment to avoid any confusion who was the aggressor and avoid giving Russia any pretext for their shitty PR, somehow massively outnumbered the initial Russian force. Or I suppose it could make sense if they just forgot to give their forces compass and maps?
Russian Forces: "We are advancing rapidly from Kyiv to the Belarus border, murder-raping the ukronazis as we breeze back past them. Soon we will take the objective of our initial positions."

 

[Marduk]

The average lifespan of the conscripts is 4 hours, perhaps a little longer. Why? This is an artillery war, not a war of vast infantry rushes. And Russia has more.

LMAO.

No, its in widespread use.

Pfffff...

Russia has lots of good modern artillery. Even the pentagon admits as such. The M777s are mostly gone now. Why? They are broken down. They are also being popped by counterbattery fire and lancets.

As the saying goes, Russian army is large and modern, but the modern part isn't large and the large part isn't modern.
>M777s gone now
They destroyed a few. Fortunately, like Ukrainian airforce, they have Necron technology allowing them to reconstitute themselves even after being destroyed several times over according to Russian propaganda.

Here you can see a supposedly destroyed M777 firing at Russians less than 2 weeks ago.

Numbers? lets look at a less biased estimate of russian casualties

Russian casualties in Ukraine. Mediazona count, updated

Russian Dead according this: about about 12,500

These numbers do not represent the actual death toll since we can only review publicly available reports including social media posts by relatives, reports in local media, and statements by the local authorities.

Get better sources.

Now, lets correlate this with what is claimed to be a leaked mossad casualty report

>leaked
By who? FSB?

Nearly a 10-1 rate. that isnt a rate destined to benefit Ukraine.

Why not 1000-1. Paper will take anything.

Again, Russia isnt launching mass infantry assaults. Its an artillery war..and russia has alot more of them. If you are mostly lobbing shells at each other, the side with most guns, wins.

Stop being a lolcow, there are even videos on fucking reddit.

Spoiler

It isnt working. All it has done is pin a large percentage of the Ukrainian army in place.



Ukrainians didnt scuttle them by choice. The deal would have been good one for Ukraine. But the big GAE doesnt care about Ukrainian lives. All they care about is hurting Russia. And if 500,000 ukrainians have to die, so be it. They exist to only serve the foreign policy objectives of the neocons.

Look at any poll of Ukrainian opinion. The deal would suck for Ukraine, and Putin cannot be even trusted to not "renegotiate" it the moment he gets his mess of an army in order.
Muh caring, don't fight for your country, are you some kind of alternate skin for SJWs?
Yes, Ukrainians wanting independence from Russia is a neocon plot.

Ukraine declares its independence | January 22, 1918 | HISTORY

Soon after the Bolsheviks seized control in immense, troubled Russia in November 1917 and moved toward negotiating peace with the Central Powers, the former Russian state of Ukraine declares its total independence. One of pre-war Russia’s most prosperous areas, the vast, flat Ukraine (the name...

www.history.com

Guess that was done by time traveling neocons.
Check your empty head.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

If you truly believe Russia has a sustained 10:1 casualty rate, and that the result of that is Russia falling back on almost every axis of assault, with extremely incremental advance in one area, you are beyond help. The only way that makes sense is if the Ukrainian forces, who delayed mobilisation till after the last possible moment to avoid any confusion who was the aggressor and avoid giving Russia any pretext for their shitty PR, somehow massively outnumbered the initial Russian force. Or I suppose it could make sense if they just forgot to give their forces compass and maps?
Russian Forces: "We are advancing rapidly from Kyiv to the Belarus border, murder-raping the ukronazis as we breeze back past them. Soon we will take the objective of our initial positions."

Remember what i said earlier..Russia has been engaging in Attrition war.

Territory can be retaken. Manpower is much harder to replace. Russia is perfectly happy to withdraw from areas that are untenable to hold. They can be retaken. But the manpower Ukraine has lost, is far far harder to get back.

You'll understand when the russian flag flies over lyman again.

 

[Megadeath]

Remember what i said earlier..Russia has been engaging in Attrition war.

Territory can be retaken. Manpower is much harder to replace. Russia is perfectly happy to withdraw from areas that are untenable to hold. They can be retaken. But the manpower Ukraine has lost, is far far harder to get back.

You'll understand when the russian flag flies over lyman again.

You're stupid. If Russia had an initial numerical advantage, and has a sustained 10:1 casualty rate, nowhere should be untenable to hold.

 

[King Arts]

The average lifespan of the conscripts is 4 hours, perhaps a little longer. Why? This is an artillery war, not a war of vast infantry rushes. And Russia has more

4 hours lmao what is this 40k I know Russia is incompetent but lol.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

4 hours lmao what is this 40k I know Russia is incompetent but lol.

I was about to ask if his source was fucking Lexicanum, but I've been beaten to the punch on the 40k joke.

 

[King Arts]

I was about to ask if his source was fucking Lexicanum, but I've been beaten to the punch on the 40k joke.

Maybe he is posting from the regimental standard while reading the Imperial infantryman’s uplifting primer?

 

[Jormungandr]

@AnimalNoodles Bruh, this is pretty much how we perceive you at the moment.

"There are no Americans in Iraq!"
*Abrams with a confused and curious crew drives by in the immediate background*
Your pro-Russian bullshit has reached ludicrous, almost mythical levels.

 

[LordsFire]

Remember what i said earlier..Russia has been engaging in Attrition war.

Territory can be retaken. Manpower is much harder to replace. Russia is perfectly happy to withdraw from areas that are untenable to hold. They can be retaken. But the manpower Ukraine has lost, is far far harder to get back.

You'll understand when the russian flag flies over lyman again.

Where did you learn how warfare works?

Who on earth taught you that armies inflicting 10:1 casualties engage in repeated mass retreats?

Where did you study history?

Who taught you that Russia cares enough about its soldiers to surrender ground rather than suffer losses?

 

[Bacle]

I don't know why people are seriously engaged with AnimalNoodles; dude is straight up WS/WN type who would love for 'trad russia' to knock down the 'GAE', and will believe anything Russia says over anything anyone else does.

I mean, the dude has 'AJAB' aka 'All Jews Are Bastards/Bitches' in his sig, ffs.

 

[King Arts]

I don't know why people are seriously engaged with AnimalNoodles; dude is straight up WS/WN type who would love for 'trad russia' to knock down the 'GAE', and will believe anything Russia says over anything anyone else does.

I mean, the dude has 'AJAB' aka 'All Jews Are Bastards/Bitches' in his sig, ffs.

I was about to call you out for accusing someone of being a Nazi. But then I saw he does have that acronym @AnimalNoodles does that acronym mean what Bacle said it means?

 

[Bacle]

UK will be training Ukrainain pilots and marines; maybe Ukraine is is going to get some old RAF Tornado's, if F-16s are not on the table right now.

 

[Marduk]

UK will be training Ukrainain pilots and marines; maybe Ukraine is is going to get some old RAF Tornado's, if F-16s are not on the table right now.

Tranche 1 Eurofighters are also something UK was thinking of getting rid of in the past too.

 

[Zachowon]

I wont take that bet, because I simply dont know. But will you bet on how long it will take for the Ukrainians to take Sevastopol?

My bet is never.

I gave something we know Russia will go to
How long did you think they would take Kiev? Kharkiv? Kherson?

So old news that got a new update, and I figured I'd take a small victory lap along with everyone here who had the common sense to know it wasn't Russia: America blew up the Nordstream Pipeline (apparently with Norway's help).

How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now

seymourhersh.substack.com

There was only one source, but then, it'd be hard to get corroboration for this.

Yeah there is no way they would put a bomb and wait three months

 

[AnimalNoodles]

You're stupid. If Russia had an initial numerical advantage, and has a sustained 10:1 casualty rate, nowhere should be untenable to hold.

Russia hasnt sustained a 10-1 casualty rate, its inflicted a 10-1 casualty rate. Ukraine is the one getting mauled.

 

[Zachowon]

Russia hasnt sustained a 10-1 casualty rate, its inflicted a 10-1 casualty rate. Ukraine is the one getting mauled.

Where you getting this?

 

[AnimalNoodles]

I don't know why people are seriously engaged with AnimalNoodles; dude is straight up WS/WN type who would love for 'trad russia' to knock down the 'GAE', and will believe anything Russia says over anything anyone else does.

I mean, the dude has 'AJAB' aka 'All Jews Are Bastards/Bitches' in his sig, ffs.

AJAB means All Journalists are Bastards. I believe i posted that in the past.