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AmosTrask

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Huh. Olaf Schultz is sending current generation Leopard 2A6 instead of older variants. I wonder if they will be the full package or the downgraded export variants.
 

Marduk

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Huh. Olaf Schultz is sending current generation Leopard 2A6 instead of older variants. I wonder if they will be the full package or the downgraded export variants.
>current
A6 is older than some of the posters here, first entering service in 2001.
A7A1 is most current, and there was A7 in the meantime, which is the same A7A1 except for lacking the Trophy APS.
 

Buba

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Was it here that I read the youngest Leo II's are like 30 years old?
Ukraine is an excellent opportunity to offload clunkers - pimped up or not - and order new stuff for one's military.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Was it here that I read the youngest Leo II's are like 30 years old?
Ukraine is an excellent opportunity to offload clunkers - pimped up or not - and order new stuff for one's military.

No, that's incorrect. The oldest Leo IIs are 44 years old; the youngest Leo IIs haven't even been "born" yet, as the tank is still in active production. They just completed delivery of an order of Leopard 2A7 for the Danish, and are currently building at least two orders of Leopard 2A7+ for Qatar and Hungary.
 

Buba

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No, that's incorrect. [...]the youngest Leo IIs haven't even been "born" yet, as the tank is still in active production.
OK, me bad. I somehow thought that Leo II production ended in 1993 or so, all those fancy high number A versions being refurbished oldies.
 

ShadowArxxy

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OK, me bad. I somehow thought that Leo II production ended in 1993 or so, all those fancy high number A versions being refurbished oldies.

The Germans are actually super fussy ("must be in ordnung!") about how they systematically number their tanks, so the A version always reflects the original build, and any subsequent refit is identified by suffix. For example, the Danish Army's Leopard 2A5 DK is for absolutely all practical purposes a Leopard 2A6, but the Germans refuse to call it that; it is a Leopard 2A5 with DK upgrade package.

The only Leo IIs that depart from this are the foreign partnership ones that aren't named by the Germans, such as the Polish Leopard 2PL; being a modernized Leopard 2A4, the Germans would have called it "Leopard 2A4 PL"
 

AmosTrask

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Shame the Israelis missed the main Shahed drone production lines. At least they took out several Iranian military bases. That should slow down the shipments of ammunition to Russia.

Looks like Russia is down to nine and twelve percent of their prewar strategic stockpile of X105 and X155 smart missiles according to leaks in their military Telegram groups. Idiots chasing social media clout are posting actual Russian Minoborony (DoD equivalent) classified memos and files. WTF? There is no amount of VPN and Onion routing that'll keep these idiots alive once the KGB start hunting.

Russian stupidity is good for us I guess.
 
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Cherico

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Shame the Israelis missed the main Shahed drone production lines. At least they took out several Iranian military bases. That should slow down the shipments of ammunition to Russia.

Looks like Russia is down to nine and twelve percent of their prewar strategic stockpile of X105 and X155 smart missiles according to leaks in their military Telegram groups. Idiots chasing social media clout are posting actual Russian Minoborony (DoD equivalent) classified memos and files. WTF? There is no amount of VPN and Onion routing that'll keep these idiots alive once the KGB start hunting.

Russian stupidity is good for us I guess.

I cant honestly say we are that much smarter man.
 

ATP

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Shame the Israelis missed the main Shahed drone production lines. At least they took out several Iranian military bases. That should slow down the shipments of ammunition to Russia.

Looks like Russia is down to nine and twelve percent of their prewar strategic stockpile of X105 and X155 smart missiles according to leaks in their military Telegram groups. Idiots chasing social media clout are posting actual Russian Minoborony (DoD equivalent) classified memos and files. WTF? There is no amount of VPN and Onion routing that'll keep these idiots alive once the KGB start hunting.

Russian stupidity is good for us I guess.

Then,what about it being feint? powerpuff kgb hired dudes to say so,when in reality they have 200 underground cities on Ural stuffed with weapons which wait for RIGHT HOUR.

It is only half-joke,with KGB you never knew.They do not care,how many of their slaves die after all.

I cant honestly say we are that much smarter man.

We would bot be executed,if we do so.If those leaks are real,dudes who did it would die screaming.
 

ShadowArxxy

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I cant honestly say we are that much smarter man.

Not necessarily, but the United States got a huge practical lesson during the First Gulf War in just how massive PGM usage is in a full-scale war *and* how operationally crippling it can be when only specialist platforms are equipped to guide them, and have internalized and built from that experience.

Russia, on the other hand, still has half-ass logistics even when their people *aren't* selling off everything but their underwear on the black market for vodka.
 

mrttao

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Not necessarily, but the United States got a huge practical lesson during the First Gulf War in just how massive PGM usage is in a full-scale war *and* how operationally crippling it can be when only specialist platforms are equipped to guide them, and have internalized and built from that experience.

Russia, on the other hand, still has half-ass logistics even when their people *aren't* selling off everything but their underwear on the black market for vodka.
PGM?
 

AmosTrask

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In this incident the rapists are Chechens - who'd had thunk that?
Those guards are lucky, the last time the Chechens and Russian soldiers had a disagreement a platoon of Russian soldiers got gang raped. And it is still happening whenever those two groups get billeted near each other.

Before that it was drunk Russians raping Ukrainian children to death in front of their parents trying to find anything valuable. Those same soldiers suffering. . . Turnabout is fair play. Karma is the ultimate bitch. I am enjoying the schadenfreude.
 
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