ROB made leaders/or only one/ of balkan states in 1935 geniuses.How it affect WW2.

ATP

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Basically,leaders or one,or all,Balkan states becomed geniuses with future knowledge nad knowledge of technology till 2022.
They knew how built things from 2022 - but,they do not have means for that yet.

So,could they/he,if only one country/ turn their countries into superpowers,or at least save from become soviet colonies?
Or,maybe nothing change,and only winner would be soviets who get new technology?

Please,made your own scenarios.

P.S I do not use Poland,becouse it would be to easy to win for us.
 

King Arts

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If romania is part of that then they would win hands down they’d be able to advance rapidly maybe even get nukes that means that if Germany or Russia makes moves there they would be destroyed.
 

Buba

A total creep
I will only do the beginning.
1 - Albania. Too weak to do much. I prepare for Italian takeover by setting up caches of arms, ammo and medicine in the mountains. When Italians invade I head for the hills and hole up, waging a low intensity guerilla war against Italians, Germans and communists until mid '44.
Maybe at that point I'd intensify and arrange for Allied landings. If no landings I continue until German retreat and take over the country and try to get the Allies to land any troops. I think I should manage not to get invaded by Soviets even without.

2 - Greece.
Plan minimum - not become Soviet satellite - was achieved in OTL. Hence the mission is "best WWII".
Not waste money on Metaxas Line. Buy AT and AA guns plus some artillery tractors. In general invest in PBI and artillery.
Maybe some more money on airplanes? No PZL-24 or Gloster Gladiators but buy Curtis Hawks instead.
Navy - buy more submarines, preferably Italian, on credit to be paid from 1941 onward :)
Maybe preposition stocks near Albanian border, or start mobilisation by mail in Autumn 1940? Maybe an instant (or simply even stronger than OTL) counteroffensive would be possible, destroying the unprepared Italians and capturing the ports? In any case the submarines should slow down any Italian build up, be it with torpedoes or mines.
With Italians in Albania mangled fall back to Mt. Olympus defensive line before the Germans attack and avoid assassination attempts as this leaves Salonika undefended. Once news of the Germans coming is confirmed, I implement evacuation plans for women and children, dumping them on the British in Cyprus, Palestine and Egypt regardless of their thoughts on the matter. If they not happy I threaten to sign up with the Axis.
Maybe stopping the Germans and Bulgarians at Mt Olympus would be possible? If not - at Thermopyle?
Holding out in Peloponaesus?
Worst case scenario - Crete. Any Falschirmjaeger that come get massacred ...
I think that might stay on the continent, though, as the Germans will soon be busy elsewhere and take most of their airplanes away. And in the mountains and hills it is Isonso Redux. Heh, maybe Rommel gets sent there as he did so well in the mountains in WWI :)

So, starting '43 I should be able to nibble back territory and by end of '44 be at pre-war border.
 

ATP

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If romania is part of that then they would win hands down they’d be able to advance rapidly maybe even get nukes that means that if Germany or Russia makes moves there they would be destroyed.
Yes,Romania is part of it.
But - how could they made nukes? leader get knowledge and becomed genius,but he still need to build tools to build tools to made another tools to made A bomb.
I would rather started with sarin - enough to stop any army.


I will only do the beginning.
1 - Albania. Too weak to do much. I prepare for Italian takeover by setting up caches of arms, ammo and medicine in the mountains. When Italians invade I head for the hills and hole up, waging a low intensity guerilla war against Italians, Germans and communists until mid '44.
Maybe at that point I'd intensify and arrange for Allied landings. If no landings I continue until German retreat and take over the country and try to get the Allies to land any troops. I think I should manage not to get invaded by Soviets even without.

2 - Greece.
Plan minimum - not become Soviet satellite - was achieved in OTL. Hence the mission is "best WWII".
Not waste money on Metaxas Line. Buy AT and AA guns plus some artillery tractors. In general invest in PBI and artillery.
Maybe some more money on airplanes? No PZL-24 or Gloster Gladiators but buy Curtis Hawks instead.
Navy - buy more submarines, preferably Italian, on credit to be paid from 1941 onward :)
Maybe preposition stocks near Albanian border, or start mobilisation by mail in Autumn 1940? Maybe an instant (or simply even stronger than OTL) counteroffensive would be possible, destroying the unprepared Italians and capturing the ports? In any case the submarines should slow down any Italian build up, be it with torpedoes or mines.
With Italians in Albania mangled fall back to Mt. Olympus defensive line before the Germans attack and avoid assassination attempts as this leaves Salonika undefended. Once news of the Germans coming is confirmed, I implement evacuation plans for women and children, dumping them on the British in Cyprus, Palestine and Egypt regardless of their thoughts on the matter. If they not happy I threaten to sign up with the Axis.
Maybe stopping the Germans and Bulgarians at Mt Olympus would be possible? If not - at Thermopyle?
Holding out in Peloponaesus?
Worst case scenario - Crete. Any Falschirmjaeger that come get massacred ...
I think that might stay on the continent, though, as the Germans will soon be busy elsewhere and take most of their airplanes away. And in the mountains and hills it is Isonso Redux. Heh, maybe Rommel gets sent there as he did so well in the mountains in WWI :)

So, starting '43 I should be able to nibble back territory and by end of '44 be at pre-war border.

1.You probably only delivered soviets better technology.USA wanted gave Albania to sralin,after all
2.P.24 was cheaper,and good enough for italians - so,i would stick to them.And,AK-47,PKM,and lot of 60mm,120mm,and 160mm mortars.
You should keep Greece free.
 

Buba

A total creep
Albania grants the Soviets what technology exactly? How to better milk goats?
The Balkans are poor and have very little production facilities. And the few that exist are in Romania and Yugoslavia.
Even with a know-all genius in charge from 1.I.1935 onward those countries will not be able to produce weapons in quantity for 1940. No time, no money, no infrastructure, no skilled people to design things. Or even work the machine tools to make weapons - which you don't have anyway.
Imports are the only way, to some degree Romania exempting. AK-47 or PKM in quantity? Forget it ... exporters of weapons will steal them for themselves and not deliver them to you, as they are arming themselves.
 
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ATP

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Albania grants the Soviets what technology exactly? How to better milk goats?
The Balkans are poor and have very little production facilities. And the few that exist are in Romania and Yugoslavia.
Even with a know-all genius in charge from 1.I.1935 onward those countries will not be able to produce weapons in quantity for 1940. No time, no money, no infrastructure, no skilled people to design things. Or even work the machine tools to make weapons - which you don't have anyway.
Imports are the only way, to some degree Romania exempting. AK-47 or PKM in quantity? Forget it ... exporters of weapons will steal them for themselves and not deliver them to you, as they are arming themselves.
You forget Hungary.They mass-produced medium tanks/shitty ones,but still/ and fighters.

So,if their leader becomed genius/Horthy,i think/,then we could have 10 hungarian dyvisiosn instead of 5 brigades with AK47,PKM,RPG-7, 120 and 160 mortars,Grad missile launchers,and tank destroyers and assault guns going for soviets and taking Crimea in that year.
Then,recruit as many as possible soviet prisoners,gave them soviet weapons,and in 1942 attack with 10 hungarians and 20-30 soviet dyvisions.Take Baku.Soviets lost 50% of oil,Turkey probably join war.
After that - defend only,made as mmany weapons as possible,and recruit more soviets.

Built SA-2 AA missiles against Allied bombers,if they decide to bomb Hungary.

In 1945 we would have A bomb on Berlin,and soviets still struggling to take Dniepr river.Change sides then,and join Allies.

P.S of course,never declare war on England and USA - and deliver to USA list of soviet crimes entire time.
 

ATP

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I do not count Hungary as Balkans :p

There is ABS and then there is WILD ASB ...

Well,they belong to Western cyvilization,but - geography made them balkan state.
And,if soviets were stalled on Ukraine till 1945 and Allies in France,then first A bombs would fall on Berlin,not Japan.

P.S i would mass produce sarin,too!
 

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