What If? ROB lets you sic a terminator on a historic figure of your choice

ATP

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So you want your Terminator to kill Jon Snow William the Bastard ... :p
YESSSSSSS !!!!!
Althought Mazovia would lost its crest - thanks to saxon refugees from 11th century we have Wessex green wyvern here.Well,we could live with that.
France would have problem with Normandy,so would be weaker/good/ Scotland and Irealand would remain free/also good/
Maybe earlier discovery of North America?
and it would be full of mini states created by irish,scots,saxons and norwegians.Much better for everybody.
I haven't seen him mentioned yet...

Che Guevara...and then anyone that advocated him as a symbol of freedom

Che Guevara - agree.But,everybody who advocate him as symbol of freedom - you would kill half of idiots on Earth,how we could live without them? ;)
 

The Whispering Monk

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Osaul
But,everybody who advocate him as symbol of freedom - you would kill half of idiots on Earth,how we could live without them? ;)
OK, so maybe we have a brief history lesson first so they ACTUALLY know what jackassery Che got up to. THEN we get rid of the ones that can't confront reality successfully... :p
 

ATP

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Che Guevara? Small fry.
We have ONE choice.
Killing Lenin (or Marx, as I suggested) eliminates ALL Che Guevaras and their fanbois and fangirls.
Lenin was leader of 3th revolution.If you want prevent revolutions,kill leader of first - Luder.
 

ATP

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Do you mean Luther?
Making him the Godfather of the Materialist Dialectic seems a bit far fetched, but whatever rocks your boat :)
Born as Luder,so Luder.And Father of first revolution.Second was in 1789,third in 1917,and fourth is what we have now.
First denied existence of Church,second - religion,third - God,and last is destroing humans.
Read "Revolution and contrevolution" by Plinio Correa de Oliveira.
 

History Learner

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Would four be okay? :

Kilij Arslan II, 1176
Andronikos Komnenos, 1182
Simon de Montfort, 1244
Murad II, 1444

Kilij Arslan II, 1176 - Emperor Manuel I Komnenos's army will win at the Battle of Myriokephalon, allowing the Komnenian Restoration to continue with the capture of Iconium. In the long run, Turkish power in Anatolia will likely be shattered and the instability that followed the historical Byzantine defeat averted.

Andronikos Komnenos, 1182 - Massacre of the Latins avoided, 4th Crusade hits Egypt as intended.

Simon de Montfort, 1244 - To be honest, I can't remember where I was going with this one.

Murad II, 1444 - Battle of Varna is a Crusader victory, seriously crippling the Ottomans in Europe, buying Byzantium some extra time and likely sending the Ottomans into a Civil War which reinforces the former two effects.
 

ATP

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Kilij Arslan II, 1176 - Emperor Manuel I Komnenos's army will win at the Battle of Myriokephalon, allowing the Komnenian Restoration to continue with the capture of Iconium. In the long run, Turkish power in Anatolia will likely be shattered and the instability that followed the historical Byzantine defeat averted.

Andronikos Komnenos, 1182 - Massacre of the Latins avoided, 4th Crusade hits Egypt as intended.

Simon de Montfort, 1244 - To be honest, I can't remember where I was going with this one.

Murad II, 1444 - Battle of Varna is a Crusader victory, seriously crippling the Ottomans in Europe, buying Byzantium some extra time and likely sending the Ottomans into a Civil War which reinforces the former two effects.

1- battle was lost thanks to combination of:
1.turkish mercaneries fighting for ERE betraing them
2.frankish mercanaeries do not used on battlefield
3.other byzantine commander betraing his emperor and leaving battlefield.
So - it would be probable lost anyway.

2&3 - dunno

4 - Varna was almost win,when our King decide to charge jannissaries with 500 knights and die.If he waited few hours,we would win.
So,you do not need Murad killed,only our King have headache or something.
 

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