Rhodesia thread

[Lord Sovereign]

It's weird that the left often go for "colonialism" instead of "shit out of luck geography" for why Africa was so far behind the rest of the world. Because the geography argument is a veritable steel toe capped boot to the bollocks of the Alt-Right and their "muh racial IQ" explanation.

 

[Cherico]

It's weird that the left often go for "colonialism" instead of "shit out of luck geography" for why Africa was so far behind the rest of the world. Because the geography argument is a veritable steel toe capped boot to the bollocks of the Alt-Right and their "muh racial IQ" explanation.

Because if Africa's problems become one of geography instead of 'colonialism' it means there is no bad guy.

That means Africa's problems become an infostructor problem and while that is easier to solve then the orginal sin concept of colionilsm it also means that the world becomes more complex then good guys and bad guys.

 

[Sailor.X]

It's weird that the left often go for "colonialism" instead of "shit out of luck geography" for why Africa was so far behind the rest of the world. Because the geography argument is a veritable steel toe capped boot to the bollocks of the Alt-Right and their "muh racial IQ" explanation.

To add to this. If the last Ice Age would have lasted another 5,000 to 6,000 years Europe would have never developed at all. It is the end of the last Ice Age, The receding of the Glaciers and the Continent as a whole becoming more temperate that allowed for not only Europe but Asia as a whole to expand Civilization. There is a damn good reason for 200,000 years all you had in the Northern Continents was Hunter Gatherer peoples. You couldn't farm crap. The oldest cities. Jericho - Wikipedia
and Göbekli Tepe - Wikipedia Are firmly in the Middle East and were the eastern most examples of a very temperate North Africa/ Levant region. Video provided for data.



But then the Ice Age ended and everything went to pot for Africa.

 

[Tryglaw]

But then the Ice Age ended and everything went to pot for Africa.

How strange that no eco-activist has yet linked the end of Ice Age with carbon footprint and human-generated CO2 emissions. Damn that Ice Age industrial / automotive sector, they didn't use renewable energy, nor drive "clean" electric cars. (Probably didn't check their snow-white privilege either...)
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[Sailor.X]

How strange that no eco-activist has yet linked the end of Ice Age with carbon footprint and human-generated CO2 emissions. Damn that Ice Age industrial / automotive sector, they didn't use renewable energy, nor drive "clean" electric cars. (Probably didn't check their snow-white privilege either...)
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If you listen to the argument. They only use a baseline that goes back to the late 19th Century as what they consider normal Planetary temps. And ignore the writings of the Ancient Chinese, Greek, Egyptians, Hebrews Babylonians, Nubians, Indians... Insert group that wrote down how the climate was during their time.

 

[Tryglaw]

If you listen to the argument. They only use a baseline that goes back to the late 19th Century as what they consider normal Planetary temps. And ignore the writings of the Ancient Chinese, Greek, Egyptians, Hebrews Babylonians, Nubians, Indians... Insert group that wrote down how the climate was during their time.

You hardly need ancient - Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was around when the Baltic Sea froze over solid enough that you could ride a sled from Poland to Sweden straight across. And for long enough that inns made of logs were built on ice where people could eat, drink and spend the night. (In absence of GPS, stakes were hammered into ice to show the way.)

 

[Bear Ribs]

You hardly need ancient - Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was around when the Baltic Sea froze over solid enough that you could ride a sled from Poland to Sweden straight across. And for long enough that inns made of logs were built on ice where people could eat, drink and spend the night. (In absence of GPS, stakes were hammered into ice to show the way.)

That just shows Global Warming is even worse than we previously thought, if we've managed to melt the Baltic Sea before even industrializing. Probably a result of those Inns raising their CO2 footprint. If they were made of logs they contributed to deforestation and there was probably beef among the food instead of a sensible vegan diet, and we all know how cows contribute to global warming.

 

[Arch Dornan]

White farmers welcome offer by Zimbabwe’s government to get back land

The country has gazetted a law to offer farms, as an alternative to compensation, to selected white farmers

www.businesslive.co.za

Mugabe's spinning in his grave.

 

[Lanmandragon]

White farmers welcome offer by Zimbabwe’s government to get back land

The country has gazetted a law to offer farms, as an alternative to compensation, to selected white farmers

www.businesslive.co.za

Mugabe's spinning in his grave.

Good damn good Mugabe was a horrid digustsing person.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Good damn good Mugabe was a horrid digustsing person.

And he had a Hitler moustache before the end as well.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

White farmers welcome offer by Zimbabwe’s government to get back land

The country has gazetted a law to offer farms, as an alternative to compensation, to selected white farmers

www.businesslive.co.za

Mugabe's spinning in his grave.

Some idiots may try to drive them off again just for votes and to temporarily give Bread & Circuses

But by then, I think there’s a chance that all those African farmhands might have better education and outright complain about how government intervention ended up fucking them over and sort of hate being forcibly associated with the guys who don’t even work in said farms

 

[Arch Dornan]

Some idiots may try to drive them off again just for votes and to temporarily give Bread & Circuses

But by then, I think there’s a chance that all those African farmhands might have better education and outright complain about how government intervention ended up fucking them over and sort of hate being forcibly associated with the guys who don’t even work in said farms

Another entry into the tapestry of life to laugh at everything much like how when the english and french killed their kings but later got another monarch back and their killers ended up on the chopping block.

Now they just need to get those sanctions off and hope Corona Chan doesn't visit.

Sanctions Programs and Country Information

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www.treasury.gov

Good damn good Mugabe was a horrid digustsing person.

I fucking hate him. He's the reason why I laugh when farmers kicked out still sell their produce to the land they got kicked out of.

A fucking idiot who if he had ownership of all the industries in the world would I can believe with what he did to the agricultural business do the same and cause another collapse of the market.

I wouldn't trust him to manage a merchandise stand.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Another entry into the tapestry of life to laugh at everything much like how when the english and french killed their kings but later got another monarch back and their killers ended up on the chopping block.

I think there maybe a divide between the black guys who arw actually employed by them or were, and the unemployed

 

[Arch Dornan]

I think there maybe a divide between the black guys who arw actually employed by them or were, and the unemployed

There always is behind the finer details.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

There always is behind the finer details.

There are divides or levels of better-off between “underdogs” that people don’t like admitting

 

[Scottty]

That just shows Global Warming is even worse than we previously thought, if we've managed to melt the Baltic Sea before even industrializing. Probably a result of those Inns raising their CO2 footprint. If they were made of logs they contributed to deforestation and there was probably beef among the food instead of a sensible vegan diet, and we all know how cows contribute to global warming.

Yeah the thing that the Global Warming Panic people don't want everyone to know is not that it's been colder a few centuries back, but that before that period, it was warmer.
The Medieval Warm Period had temperatures that the Al Gore types would try to scare you with. And things were great. They had vineyards in England, and the Norse were colonizing Greenland.

 

[LordsFire]

But it is a problem. And it is one for some reason Europeans don't want to admit to and downplay. As Gunny would say it is what it is. And the European pull out could have been HANDLED WAY BETTER. Than it was. Just look at how India was divided up. That could have been down way better. If it was we would not have two nuclear powers with a hate boner for each other. If someone starts campfire. And I come along an throw Gasoline on it causing it to grow out of control. I don't get to say later that the fire was burning before I got there.

I have literally never in my life heard a European say that Colonialism didn't cause Africa problems. I'm sure if I looked far enough, I could find some.

I can't think of a single time in my life that the issue of Colonialism in Africa was raised, that it wasn't to castigate Europeans, and often moved into blaming them for Africa's modern problems.

I can't think of a single institution that doesn't say Colonialism caused problems. More or less the entirety of the hard left wants to blame all of Africa's problems on white people, because they're bloody racists.

Maybe you and I have just had radically different life experiences. Maybe you're a couple decades older than me, and heard a lot more before the 'blame Europe/America!' narrative was so heavily entrenched. But what you're talking about here, bears no resemblance whatsoever to what I've seen.

 

[Lanmandragon]

I have literally never in my life heard a European say that Colonialism didn't cause Africa problems. I'm sure if I looked far enough, I could find some.

I can't think of a single time in my life that the issue of Colonialism in Africa was raised, that it wasn't to castigate Europeans, and often moved into blaming them for Africa's modern problems.

I can't think of a single institution that doesn't say Colonialism caused problems. More or less the entirety of the hard left wants to blame all of Africa's problems on white people, because they're bloody racists.

Maybe you and I have just had radically different life experiences. Maybe you're a couple decades older than me, and heard a lot more before the 'blame Europe/America!' narrative was so heavily entrenched. But what you're talking about here, bears no resemblance whatsoever to what I've seen.

I have but it's usally the "IQ" argument from legit Nazis.

 

[Sailor.X]

I have literally never in my life heard a European say that Colonialism didn't cause Africa problems. I'm sure if I looked far enough, I could find some.

I can't think of a single time in my life that the issue of Colonialism in Africa was raised, that it wasn't to castigate Europeans, and often moved into blaming them for Africa's modern problems.

I can't think of a single institution that doesn't say Colonialism caused problems. More or less the entirety of the hard left wants to blame all of Africa's problems on white people, because they're bloody racists.

Maybe you and I have just had radically different life experiences. Maybe you're a couple decades older than me, and heard a lot more before the 'blame Europe/America!' narrative was so heavily entrenched. But what you're talking about here, bears no resemblance whatsoever to what I've seen.

You really need to look a Youtube comment sections when they discuss racial issues. You will see a ton of posts from a ton of people saying exactly that.

 

[LordsFire]

You really need to look a Youtube comment sections when they discuss racial issues. You will see a ton of posts from a ton of people saying exactly that.

I'm sorry, but I don't count the veritable sewer of the internet as carrying much weight. I know that sampling bias is an issue, but I also know that I have never seen a politician in a prosperous western nation say 'we should never send any more aid to African nations' or 'It's all their own fault!' etc.

I'm sure if I looked hard enough, I could find some local or state level people who do, simply due to the law of large numbers. That said, until I see serious national players trying to argue this position, I'm going to treat this issue as just another way the left is trying to beat the 'white guilt' horse.

When I was a kid, my parents were giving to charities that worked in Africa. They did that 'sponsor a child' thing. We moved to the Middle East when I was 4 so that they could engage in mission work there. The primary consideration for my tithe this year, is an international not-for-profit that includes Africa in the places it goes to.

'But colonialism!' is, from all of my experience, just another thing like 'but how the native american tribes were treated!' that the hard left tries to use to whip up sympathy. Yes, there were bad things done in the past. Yes, there are a few fringe nuts who actually argue against them. But trying to blame me or anybody under the age of 60 for what happened during Colonialism is ridiculous, and stirring up racial/regional hatred and resentment doesn't help anyone.

If you show me some ancient colonialist man who was part of an oppressive regime back in the day, I can believe that person might owe some guilt or reparations. But that's about as far as it goes at this point.

(Note: I'm aware there are more contemporary (but less drastic) issues with specific reservations and programs with native americans in the US more recently, but this isn't the place to derail into that)