bintananth

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They saw limited service in recon role in Italy
Like I said. Almost ready for deployment.

The Me 262 and all the other German jets were flying disasters looking for an excuse which got rushed into service out of desperation while the US and UK basically said "we're going to do this right". The first US jet fighter - the P-59 - was a "this ain't going to work" because at high altitudes the stall speed and maximum level speed were about the same and it was 24mph slower than a P-51.
 

bintananth

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Man, having US jet planes from the start would have changed things
The necessary reliable gas turbines weren't available. The British actually delayed the development of the Gloster Meteor so the US could have Lockheed start testing the P-80 and Allison Engine start work on the J33 - which has twice the thrust of any German WWII gas turbine and, unlike the German ones, is not an engine fire looking for an excuse.

When I told my youngest sis what fueled the Me 163B's rocket motor the look on her face was some incredulous combination of "were they insane" and "I ain't touching that". She's accidentally set liquid nitrogen on fire.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
To get the aircraft tangent back on the topic of Korea.

The P-80, while obsolescent in the early 1950s, was a workhorse during the Korean war in the exact opposite manner the P-51 was during WWII.

The P-51 was originally intended for ground attack and it was discovered that an A model outmatched a Bf109 once the bombs were dropped. Cue drop tanks, a Merlin engine, and the rest is history.

The P-80 was intended to take on German jets, needed range, and the gas turbines of the day would take one look at a fuel tank in the same way a teenage boy looks at refrigerator full of food: "I'm going to quickly eat all of this and still be hungry."

Cue large drop tank mounts which could also handle 1,000lb bombs and P-80s dropped a lot of those during Korea while also being something a non-Soviet Mig 15 pilot didn't want to mess with unless they absolutely had to.
 
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49ersfootball

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I hope they do approve of it
It appears that the government via Korean Prime Minister Kim Boo-hyum, approved the State Funeral of former Korean President Roh Tae-woo, which is set for this weekend on October 30th.

However, don't expect him to be laid to rest at the Seoul National Cemetery in Seoul due to his role in the December 12th, 1979 coup d'etat against then-President Choi Kyu-hah & the Gwangju massacre on May 18th, 1980.

The Korean Herald reports that Roh is expected to be laid to rest at the Unification Park in Paju, Gyeonggi Province following the State Funeral services.
 
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