Alternate History Reich Turbulent (Previously named Der Rote Kampfflieger - An Nazi Victory TL)

I'm surprised that no one has commented on the historical accuracy of this chapter lol.
I literally made this thing as historically accurate as possible, using all known facts available.
I think this forum does not have that many members to appreciate your work pal. Word has yet to spread. Frankly, I joined this forum when you posted the link of Red Baron TL in AH. Unfortunately, I am weak in pre-nazi history of Germany. I do know there was the Weimar Republic and that sums up my knowledge on post-Great War Germany.
 

Sol Zagato

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I think it was noted in the AH thread that in the engagement where he's wounded in the arm TTL, was the OTL engagement where he survived a (spent) 50-cal bullet to the forehead.
 
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ATP

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Yes.
Because no matter what happens, Nazis are still Nazis.
I'm not one of those writers that turn Nazis into Notzis.

Logical.But - NSDAP choosed to blame mainly jews in OTL.If they blame somebody more,jews could be only parially genocided,just like slavic people.
And better air forces would not gave them victory,they lost when they start genociding soviets after they welcome germans as liberetors in 1941.Better planes could not change that.

Besodes.from economically p[oint of viev,german must lost.

I read memories of polish arostocrac,Karolona Lanckorońska - in the beginning of 1942 ,when everybody belived in german victory,she meet few sad friens who almost cry becoust germans must won.Except one economist,who said that he compared economies of Allies,soviets and Axis - and concluded,that Axis must be defeated in 1947/48.
 
Not necessarily.
There was a godawful amount of corruption and inefficiency in Nazi Germany.
As well as terrible planning and general stupidity.
Economically, Nazi Germany was not particularly inferior in any aspect.
It was mismanagement, stupid impractical ideas, and corruption that brought down the Reich.
Problems that all had to be resolved before WW2.
Hence the POD of 1917.

Especially before the war, the Nazi economy nearly fell several times in the prewar period, as their military spending and rapid rearmament program did nothing to help the economy, only straining it. The only reason for them not collapsing by 1938 was that they were being held afloat by Austrian and Czech reserves, it's really a miracle that they had lasted as long as they did. They also never really brought the necessary reforms to German manufacturing, only partly in 1944, they could've benefited from being more standardized and centralized like the Americans. Not to mention the bureaucratic red tape that the Kaiser Reich had instituted on several sectors of the economy, and then they furthered reinforced. The agricultural sector, for example, was in dire need of reforms, it wasn't nearly as industrialized as it should've been, and the farmlands for each farmer was small. As they couldn't sell their farmlands and move to the cities, they wished to have more farmers than needed, as they idealized farming as apart of the Aryan lifestyle, which heavily impacted the entire sector as a whole, leading to a famine during the war. They really could've done much more before the onset of the war, had they instituted reforms, a long term rearmament, and been smart about the little resources that they held, they would've had much better results overall during the war.
 
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ATP

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Anti-Slavism wasn't always a part of Nazism.
It only became established after Max von Scheubner Richter was killed at the Munich Putsch.
Before his death, Max von Scheubner Richter organized connections between White Russian emigres and German Nazis.
After his death, the whole thing went downhill.

The simplest way to change that is for there to be no putsch.


Not necessarily.
There was a godawful amount of corruption and inefficiency in Nazi Germany.
As well as terrible planning and general stupidity.
Economically, Nazi Germany was not particularly inferior in any aspect.
It was mismanagement, stupid impractical ideas, and corruption that brought down the Reich.
Problems that all had to be resolved before WW2.
Hence the POD of 1917.

So,NSDAP which do not genocide slavic people,and do not fuck economy? you knew,WW2 would be win in few years now by germans.
If they manage Poland to join in 1939,even more quickly.In OTL they tried that from 1934 to 1939,and almost succed.
If Germany manage to take over soviet manufacturies and resources,all USA could do would be holding both Americas and MAYBE England.
 

Jerard

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Yes. He appears in the next chapter, of which the new version (Sietch version) will be released some time this week.
What happened to chapter two? I've planned a Red Baron story for a long time but haven't gotten around to writing it. Mostly different from your story from what I have seen.
Read the chapters as they were published on AH. I'm a fan. Very under used POD.
 

ATP

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I'll be getting back to updating this story very soon.
Been busy with other stuff.

I totally agree that this a incredibly underrated and under-used POD.
After all, his brother Lothar (who was even more daring than Manfred) survived the war
And given his cousin Wolfram's success in WW2, the von Richthofens in charge of the Luftwaffe would be a living nightmare for the Allies and Soviets

Manfred was a strategist and tactician, unlike that fat drunkard of a Nazi, Goering

It would help germans.But main problem was that Hitler at least from 1939 was loosing his mind - he belived in envoys from Agharta,for example.If you do not change that,Germany must losy.
Or,if he become mad anyway,kill him and replace with Richtoffen.
Another important thing - get rid of Himmler ,he was not only genocider,but mad as Hitler/send 3 or 4 expedition to Tibet to seek help from Agharta/

State could survive led by genociders,but not by mad ones.
P.S Agharta is mythical hidden city ruled by demons.Soviets seek it,too - but Stalin purged all who did so in 1937 or 1938.
 

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