What If? Putin in Charge of the United States

[Jaenera Targaryen]

True but that will be little help to the rest of us in the West if wokism isn’t stopped here as well.

Then I guess you'd better start learning how to speak Russian or Chinese, Да товарищ?

To think that the future of true freedom and justice (or some semblance of it) could potentially be dependent on Eurasia (Eastern Europe + Asia) instead of America...

...if that doesn't count as one of the greatest ironies of history, I don't know what does.

 

[DarthOne]

Then I guess you'd better start learning how to speak Russian or Chinese, Да товарищ?

To think that the future of true freedom and justice (or some semblance of it) could potentially be dependent on Eurasia (Eastern Europe + Asia) instead of America...

...if that doesn't count as one of the greatest ironies of history, I don't know what does.

Lets hope to God that it doesn't come to that.

 

[DocSolarisReich]

Lets hope to God that it doesn't come to that.

I grew up with the expectation I would have to live through Red Dawn.

Today, the sight of Russian Para's would be a relief.

"Welcome Tovarisch! Coffee?"

 

[DarthOne]

I grew up with the expectation I would have to live through Red Dawn.

Today, the sight of Russian Para's would be a relief.

"Welcome Tovarisch! Coffee?"

Almost, would be yeah.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

I grew up with the expectation I would have to live through Red Dawn.

Today, the sight of Russian Para's would be a relief.

"Welcome Tovarisch! Coffee?"

Putin or whoever he installs in the White House might just be an improvement over the likes of Trump and Biden, wouldn't they? One panders to the right-wing mob, and the other panders to the left-wing mob...

...when a military governor might actually restore order and stability to the USA...for fuck's sake...

 

[ATP]

People are going to look back at the "woke" media produced during this time in the same way people now look at things like The Birth of a Nation.

Rather like they are looking at movies made by soviets.
P.S Putin is KGB goon who blown up about 300 russians to start Ceczen war,win it loosing 20.000 soldiers and money,and now gave Chechenya to dude who is turning people there into good islamists.And Chechenya is donated by Russia.
He also could made Russia second China,but turned it into chineese colony.
Do you really think,that he would do better in USA ?

 

[DocSolarisReich]

Rather like they are looking at movies made by soviets.
P.S Putin is KGB goon who blown up about 300 russians to start Ceczen war,win it loosing 20.000 soldiers and money,and now gave Chechenya to dude who is turning people there into good islamists.And Chechenya is donated by Russia.
He also could made Russia second China,but turned it into chineese colony.
Do you really think,that he would do better in USA ?

I love you brother, but there are two subjects a Pole cannot be trusted to speak rationally on; Germany and Russia.

Better than the ruling Plutocratic Oligarchy trying to create a neo Babylonian global market state of deracinated Kalergi bug-men? Genociding all races, nations, and peoples and tongues to make from them an equal and undifferentiated mass of consoomers?

Yes.

 

[ATP]

Then I guess you'd better start learning how to speak Russian or Chinese, Да товарищ?

To think that the future of true freedom and justice (or some semblance of it) could potentially be dependent on Eurasia (Eastern Europe + Asia) instead of America...

...if that doesn't count as one of the greatest ironies of history, I don't know what does.

Why not polish? becouse we knew enough about russia to never trust them with anything - becouse,no matter who ruled them,they always looked for white/red tsar who would stomp on them,and conqer others.
They were orks before Tolkien invented them - if you read about ork troops behaviour in LOTR,you could just changed them into soviet soldier ,becouse they behawed as them - or worst.Orcs do not gang raped children.

If you seek salvation from woke orks,Putin orks would not help you.

 

[DocSolarisReich]

Why not polish? becouse we knew enough about russia to never trust them with anything - becouse,no matter who ruled them,they always looked for white/red tsar who would stomp on them,and conqer others.
They were orks before Tolkien invented them - if you read about ork troops behaviour in LOTR,you could just changed them into soviet soldier ,becouse they behawed as them - or worst.Orcs do not gang raped children.

If you seek salvation from woke orks,Putin orks would not help you.

We get it brah. You hate Russians. You even have legitimate reasons for this. But not everyone has your history. The Soviet Union is dead and her former tormentors are decamped to Tel Aviv and New York. It's time to let it go.

 

[ATP]

We get it brah. You hate Russians. You even have legitimate reasons for this. But not everyone has your history. The Soviet Union is dead and her former tormentors are decamped to Tel Aviv and New York. It's time to let it go.

I love you brother, but there are two subjects a Pole cannot be trusted to speak rationally on; Germany and Russia.

Better than the ruling Plutocratic Oligarchy trying to create a neo Babylonian global market state of deracinated Kalergi bug-men? Genociding all races, nations, and peoples and tongues to make from them an equal and undifferentiated mass of consoomers?

Yes.

Nope.
1.I do not hate russians - i pity them,just like i pity any orcs.But they still want me country enslaved,and i do not stand that.
2.Putin pet philosopher,Dugin,declared that all poles should turn into either russians or germans,becouse there is no Place for Poland.He deny existence of ukrainians and belarussians.
3.WE,POLES SPEAK RATIONALLY ABOUT GERMANY AND RUSSIA - BECOUSE UNLESS OTHERS,WE KNEW THEM.
4.In Russia there are two cities with part of population made from free people - but rest of the country is looking for tsar to stomp on them.And they always get him.
5.In germany most people are normal - unfortunatelly,elited get prussian illness and belive that Germany have right to control Poland.As long as they do not get cure,there is no peace there.
6.World oligarchs want all that - but,how it differ from what russians and german oligarchs try to do? only they would do that with Nord Stream.I say - plague on both houses.

In short - you do not be saved from orks by another orks.If Russia is our last hope,then we could just commit suicide.Or,better,die on russian corpses pile.

 

[DocSolarisReich]

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In short - you do not be saved from orks by another orks.If Russia is our last hope,then we could just commit suicide.Or,better,die on russian corpses pile.

Ah, Eastern Europe, where grudges are kept on the mantle and taken down every year on Christmas and Saint's Days for a loving dusting and polish.

 

[ATP]

Ah, Eastern Europe, where grudges are kept on the mantle and taken down every year on Christmas and Saint's Days for a loving dusting and polish.

Not grudges,mass graves filled by russians/soviets.
And - ,just logic- becouse orcs are orcs,and replacing one with another have no sense.You are saing that becouse you never lived under russian boot.5 years of their occupation would cure you,unfortunatelly they would need to first take Poland.

We have many treaties with Russia - and they broke them all.They would the same with you - but by then,there would be no living poles to help you.

 

[LTR]

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[The Immortal Watch Dog]

A drug lord in charge of the US.

We had this before, twice.

The Kennedy regime was a disaster and so were the Clintons, no reason to assume the Slavic Escobar is gonna be any different.

Thuggocracies are historically shit. Russia and the US aren't magically exempt from that.

 

[Bassoe]

We'll need more information on the situation to make any kind of informed speculation.

How'd he seize power? The local goverment got so terrible that the we'll-be-guerrilla-resistance-fighters-in-event-of-Red-Dawn crowd decided he was the lesser evil and became a fifth column? Outright conquest somehow magically bypassing MAD? A Joe Steele scenario where he was born in or moved to the US, became a CIA rather than KGB alphabet agency goon, then essentially repeated his OTL takeover in a different country? He got his hands on unquestionable epstein island blackmail information so the current status quo corporate and political leadership has to obey him or he'll reveal secrets which would unironically end in lynch mobs? ROB did it?

Then, what's his objective? Run the country to the best of his ability? Weaken it to minimize the threat it poses to Russia? Loot it for quick personal wealth? Establish Jerry Pournelle's CoDominion?

 

[Aaron Fox]

He would go out and destroy the US as thoroughly and as completely as possible. He fucking outlined it on his version of Mein Kampf.

 

[ShieldWife]

Putin might be ruthless and tyrannical, or he might not be because let’s face it most of what we know about Putin came from the same people who have been lying to us about everything, but he’s still far better than the collection of tycoons, tech giants, bankers, Deep State personnel, and their various “elected” toadies who rule the USA.

Putin might rule with an iron fist but at least he wouldn’t want to destroy Western civilization itself. It would be like choosing the Imperium over Chaos. Say what you will about the Imperium, it’s still not Chaos.

 

[Marduk]

Putin might be ruthless and tyrannical, or he might not be because let’s face it most of what we know about Putin came from the same people who have been lying to us about everything, but he’s still far better than the collection of tycoons, tech giants, bankers, Deep State personnel, and their various “elected” toadies who rule the USA.

Putin might rule with an iron fist but at least he wouldn’t want to destroy Western civilization itself. It would be like choosing the Imperium over Chaos. Say what you will about the Imperium, it’s still not Chaos.

Putin represents the Tories/CDU/Bush GOP of Russia. It may sound ridiculous for westerners, but once you account for the cultural and geostrategic differences, it fits.
The western media don't help because the leftist bulk of them are trying to exploit Russia being overall more conservative in the former to rally people for the cause of the latter, which the western left's cosmopolitan activist base absolutely doesn't care about, so they are trying to make him some kind of far right figure in the west. In reality, in Russia he's just the "establishment right". He *is* the go-to guy of the deep state and tycoons (Russian ones of course).

Russian nationalists protest Putin in Moscow

Thousands protest in Unity Day march, accusing gov't of subsidizing minorities at expense of ethnic Russians

www.cbsnews.com

If he's far right, how can he be getting protests from the far right, and over such things at that? No self respecting far right leader would be getting protests over... too much immigration from poor and culturally divergent countries to the south, and to add insult to injury, subsidizing them.
And they aren't just making shit up.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Putin represents the Tories/CDU/Bush GOP of Russia. It may sound ridiculous for westerners, but once you account for the cultural and geostrategic differences, it fits.

This still makes for better leadership than what the post-Bush Republicans/post-Obama Democrats seem to be capable of.

The western media don't help because the leftist bulk of them are trying to exploit Russia being overall more conservative in the former to rally people for the cause of the latter, which the western left's cosmopolitan activist base absolutely doesn't care about, so they are trying to make him some kind of far right figure in the west. In reality, in Russia he's just the "establishment right". He *is* the go-to guy of the deep state and tycoons (Russian ones of course).

Admittedly, it's not the most...admirable, kind of government, but it's still better than the brand of populism currently tearing apart the West in general and the USA in particular these days. Putting career bureaucrats and corporate oligarchs in charge might make for an ossifying society (see Japan), but I'd take such...static order, over the mob pandering that's throwing the West into chaos these days.

EDIT: Not a Westerner, BTW, so I see what you mean. Unfortunately - depending on your point of view - this also makes Putin's style of leadership, or indeed, just Russian 'guided democracy' in general, very attractive where I come from.

 

[Marduk]

This still makes for better leadership than what the post-Bush Republicans/post-Obama Democrats seem to be capable of.

That is a rather low bar to exceed.

Admittedly, it's not the most...admirable, kind of government, but it's still better than the brand of populism currently tearing apart the West in general and the USA in particular these days. Putting career bureaucrats and corporate oligarchs in charge might make for an ossifying society (see Japan), but I'd take such...static order, over the mob pandering that's throwing the West into chaos these days.

But its the same type of government. It's just that the pseudo-religious movement of intersectionality/progressivism/cultural marxism has converted a large part of West's career bureaucrats and corporate leaders (or at least made them pretend they did), while in Russia and Japan they have their own culture of career bureaucrats and corporate oligarchs, who in turn listen to their own academic and cultural leaders (in the West they are the priesthood and first converts of this ideology), who in turn aren't members of this pseudo-religion; and at least in case of Russia the former are using their power to discourage the latter from such conversions.

The easiest common point to get the analogy would the the curious case of being associated with moderate nationalist, right wing, anti-immigration rhetoric, while policy wise being moderate pro-immigration for economic reason of corporate allies wanting downward pressure in wages, on top of being surprisingly generous (as opposed to internationalist leftists who are unsurprisingly generous) with taxpayer's money to connected third world satrapies.

EDIT: Not a Westerner, BTW, so I see what you mean. Unfortunately - depending on your point of view - this also makes Putin's style of leadership, or indeed, just Russian 'guided democracy' in general, very attractive where I come from.

There is surprisingly little difference in the process, the difference is the content. Democrats would love to arrange their own "guided democracy", which mechanically would be quite similar, but the "paintjob" would be adapted to the prevailing ideologies of the academic and cultural elites, which are different than those in Russia.