Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

Marduk

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To be honest, we're going to need to centralize (and thus standardize) the police forces in the US, and on the double. No more of this 'dozens upon dozens of fiefdoms' nonsense.

At gunpoint if need be.
Realistically is going to suck for the rural regions or it is going to suck for large cities or it is going to suck for everyone.
Despite its quality, even the political class knows it, which is why they aren't that aggressive about pushing it, despite many wanting it in an ideal world, because elections will be lost over this.
 

StormEagle

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To be honest, we're going to need to centralize (and thus standardize) the police forces in the US, and on the double. No more of this 'dozens upon dozens of fiefdoms' nonsense.

At gunpoint if need be.
Oh yes, let’s remove power from the slightly accountable state and city governments and hand more power over to the nearly unaccountable, bureaucratic federal government that already abuses its federal law enforcement authority on a regular basis.

That can’t possibly end badly.

Centralization almost always leads to more and worse abuse, not less.
 

King Arts

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Oh yes, let’s remove power from the slightly accountable state and city governments and hand more power over to the nearly unaccountable, bureaucratic federal government that already abuses its federal law enforcement authority on a regular basis.

That can’t possibly end badly.

Centralization almost always leads to more and worse abuse, not less.
But the State government isn't any more accountable. This fetish many on the right have for "muh small gubmat" is silly and annoying.

I mean you don't even believe it. If you do then you would support letting the local government hire past felons as cops if they want to.
 

StormEagle

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But the State government isn't any more accountable. This fetish many on the right have for "muh small gubmat" is silly and annoying.

I mean you don't even believe it. If you do then you would support letting the local government hire past felons as cops if they want to.
Yes, because not wanting to hand the feds more power means I want basic standards for the locally run law enforcement to go away as well. What kind of argument is that?

Big government overreach is the cause of most, if not all, the problems the western powers currently face domestically.
 

Marduk

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But the State government isn't any more accountable. This fetish many on the right have for "muh small gubmat" is silly and annoying.

I mean you don't even believe it. If you do then you would support letting the local government hire past felons as cops if they want to.
It's not a fetish, it's good governance. Want a crappy country, have a big government. It will get you there eventually.
If you leave it to state governments, then in the end the local voters have to deal with felon cops.
If you leave it to central government, then the leftists in central government can inflict the felon cops and other affirmative action grade services on whatever part of the country they don't like, you can rest assured it won't be where the champagne socialists live.
 

King Arts

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Yes, because not wanting to hand the feds more power means I want basic standards for the locally run law enforcement to go away as well. What kind of argument is that?

Big government overreach is the cause of most, if not all, the problems the western powers currently face domestically.
Setting standards on a local government when you are not part of that local government is big/central government. If you believe in local government then you should be ok with local communitiies deciding to give former felons a chance to be cops IF the local people are ok with it.

It's not a fetish, it's good governance. Want a crappy country, have a big government. It will get you there eventually.
If you leave it to state governments, then in the end the local voters have to deal with felon cops.
If you leave it to central government, then the leftists in central government can inflict the felon cops and other affirmative action grade services on whatever part of the country they don't like, you can rest assured it won't be where the champagne socialists live.
Is Poland a crappy country because the Lublin voividship has very little autonomy from the central government?
After all Poland is a unitary state not even federal like the US.
Do you honestly think that if Poland changed it's government to become a federal or confederation style system things would get better? Muh small government is good is silly.
 

Aaron Fox

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Oh yes, let’s remove power from the slightly accountable state and city governments and hand more power over to the nearly unaccountable, bureaucratic federal government that already abuses its federal law enforcement authority on a regular basis.

That can’t possibly end badly.

Centralization almost always leads to more and worse abuse, not less.
No, it doesn't, it's the opposite that is ripe with abuse... and we're seeing it now with education and police.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Do you have any, you know, proof that large centralized governments aren't prone to corruption and abuse of power?
You're seeing a lot more local stuff b/c of two things.

The fact that there's all sorts of internet media that are able to push local affairs out.

The MSM is covering up for all the large Federal level corruption and NOT telling people about it. In fact, the MSM is PART of the federal corruption and benefits from it.
 

Marduk

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Setting standards on a local government when you are not part of that local government is big/central government. If you believe in local government then you should be ok with local communitiies deciding to give former felons a chance to be cops IF the local people are ok with it.
Better than central government deciding to make former felons cops for areas that leftists in the government don't like and calling it social justice.

I get the appeal of having a right wing government stop leftists from doing stupid shit even in their worst hives, but let's not put the cart before the horse, try getting such a right wing government into power and with such a margin to be able to do that first.
Is Poland a crappy country because the Lublin voividship has very little autonomy from the central government?
Yeah, smaller government would be better.
After all Poland is a unitary state not even federal like the US.
Do you honestly think that if Poland changed it's government to become a federal or confederation style system things would get better? Muh small government is good is silly.
Poland is far more homogeneous in ethnic, religious and cultural terms than USA, probably more than most states even, and is smaller than a some states.
Of course small countries don't need the level of federalism massive ones do.
Unless they are divided culturally, like Switzerland, which also has a highly decentralized system and it works really well for them.
Meanwhile China has a lot of cultural divisions but has all-powerful central government, is it something to be jealous of?
Do you think USA is more divided or homogeneous?
 

IndyFront

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I'm one of those centrists that thinks we need a balance between local and federal gov't here in the US. We need to have strong enough local governments to keep the federal authorities in check, and vice-versa since too much local autonomy would result in the inevitable break-up of the United States, which I am also opposed to.
 

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