President Biden is Your Legitimate President (Yes, even if he cheated)

ShieldWife

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I suppose that, much the same way the sane feminists started calling themselves egalitarians, after it became clear mainstream feminism had gone insane, those of us who are sane leftists may have to undergo a re-branding to disassociate ourselves from the regressive leftists.
Yeah, that may be a good idea. Well, it might be a matter of semantics to some degree, but if you identify as a leftist, don't get offended when other people criticize leftism if you also agree that the left as a movement as gone insane. Also be aware that calling yourself a leftist might cause people to assume that you approve of the mainstream of modern left.

As I mentioned before, I hold a number of left wing positions, including being an atheist, being alright with gays and gay marriage, wanting nationalized health care, being anti-war, wanting to legalize drugs, being moderately pro-environment, maybe even supporting basic guaranteed income. I certainly wouldn't call myself a leftist though, I don't even really think that they care about that sort of stuff that much anymore aside from lip service. I'm a moderate in a civilization horribly skewed to the left.
 

Cherico

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The thing is easy credit is about to take a nosedive and as Maggie Thatcher said the treasure runs out sooner than you expect. What will the Dems do when the Era of Easy Credit ends? Will we see then fracture as the different groups try to get the most money before it comes crashing down?

This is the last year of easy credit the boomer retirement starts in mass in 2022.

Smart money is these idiots are going to squander their last chance on stupid shit.
 

Ok so my keyboard fried and I couldin't go deeper with my comment. Got a new one now. Anyway, look biden may be our "president" but I won't ever consider him my legitimit president. At best he's my president with an * and no I'm sorry I don't care if I look stupid in front of commies for saying not my president. They shot first or supporterd the people who shot first and they've made clear they don't care what we think, so why should I care what they think. I'm not going to riot I'm not going to shoot up people, but I won't call the president legitimate. As it is, they're claim to the right being terriost is trump is a nazi. I've planted the day they shot first in my head. June 8th 2020.
 
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Lord Sovereign

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Might sound a bit off topic, but do any of you know how the Roman Empire arose? It wasn't just their engineering, military discipline or advanced political system.

It was their stubbornness.

Rome suffered defeat after defeat on its road to power. The sack of 390, Caudine Forks, or Cannae being clear examples. Yet the Romans absorbed their losses, raised more legions, then threw them at the enemy with lessons learned. They were relentless, taking defeats that none of their at times stronger contemporaries could, without the mere thought of surrender. This attitude would make them lords of the Mediterranean.

You lost a battle because you neglected the terrain. Learn from that, and raise more legions. Carthage was not destroyed in a day.
 

Airedale260

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So I know I'm a bit late to the discussion but I wanted to add my two cents.

I'm not a fan of Donald Trump personally, but I *will* say that some of what he did was way overdue (actually reaching out to minorities in a serious manner, the judicial confirmations, taking a harder stance on China and trade, putting Europe on notice that we really aren't happy with their shenanigans, moving the embassy to Jerusalem and actually getting Gulf states to normalize relations with Israel, fixing the massive damage done to our military readiness, dramatically improving the VA, and axing a bunch of inane red tape).

But I also have a number of problems on other fronts: Adding $7 trillion to the national debt, constantly picking stupid fights with the press, making mountains out of molehills on things like the size of his inauguration crowds, or things where he bloviated about our efforts to fight COVID and what it would really take. I much prefer the bitter truth to sugar coated bullshit. And to me, that’s what Trump kept spewing.

And then there was the fact that, after he narrowly lost the election (and I do think it was an honest narrow loss, just like it was an honest narrow win in 2016), he wouldn't stop ranting about the election being stolen despite the fact that when he made both the 2018 and 2020 (and as it turned out, the 2021 Senate races) about him personally rather than the issues and the GOP suffered defeats in all three, says that I'm not the only one who found this all both insane and not a little disturbing. Or the fact that he seemed to change advisors more frequently than some people do socks, and every time someone would leave, he'd bash them on Twitter for what he perceived as various shortcomings (whether deserved or not, this is not only an extremely rude and disrespectful thing to do, and only makes hiring quality talent harder, as nobody is happy working for an asshole).

Then, of course, came the incident on January 6th. While I'm not entirely convinced he deliberately incited an attack on the Capitol, he *really* failed to deal with the mess once it occurred when he refused to allow the Guard to move in and help, and then, instead of immediately going "Look, I'm angry too but this is out of line!" he waited until after the Guard had moved in (largely due to Ralph Northam and Larry Hogan ordering their state forces sent before he did so he wouldn't get upstaged), and then made a lukewarm address about it that smacked far more of a CYA thing than anything else.

So, despite all the things he did that I like, I won't support him. I can't, because I don't approve of his shenanigans any more than I did Obama's or do Biden's. Or anyone else's.

That said, I accept that Biden is the president, but I strongly believe he's the wrong man for the job. I do find the whole concept of "wokeness" to be an absurd farce and one that's only going to cause further trouble down the line, right up until it runs into the buzzsaw of reality. How much damage it will do in the meantime, I don't know.

And if we are going to minimize that damage, then we conservatives need to accept that there is a more populist bent than before to our politics, and take into account the thoughts and views of those who feel (quite rightly in a lot of cases) that they've been left behind due to favoritism among the political class (what people refer to as The Establishment). The Establishment needs to remember that it ultimately works for the public, not the other way around, and I think the vast majority of politicians on both sides have forgotten that.

But I also think that the populists have to remember that there is a wrong way of doing things, and copying the left's tactics of "mostly peaceful protests" (read: riots) do not actually help the situation and indeed make their side look demented. Because this is the sort of thing that’s played hell in Latin America over the years. Force the left to own their irresponsibility: it’s no coincidence that during the riots over the summer, Trump’s approval rating actually ticked up because he was seen as standing up for law and order.

So, no, I don’t think Trump is the right candidate for 2024, unless your goal is to get a Democrat elected in a landslide. I do think this may take a few years as people look to figure out which direction(s) the GOP needs to take in order to get back on track, and I think a more populist government (that is, one actually responding to the needs of the public rather than a mass of ‘experts’ who don’t know their asses from a hole in the ground) is coming. The danger is if it takes a form of actual socialism (not that social democracy is really any better...) rather than going back to federalism and accepting that while the feds are supreme, they need to scale back on their operations and focus on things like foreign affairs and defense, where one size really does fit all. Not a bunch of doomed social engineering projects that in the end have failed to deliver.
 

AnimalNoodles

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In the last 4 years the Dems have given Deplorables a name, a myth, symbols and martyrs, all in exchange for something they would likely have gotten anyways if they had kept sane and simply worked to build a good platform.

Yes the senile Biden is now the legitimate US president. But the insane, sadistic and vindictive elements of left now hold power, and they will only further delegitimise the system itself and radicalise people who would have come to accept it.
 

Rocinante

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Might sound a bit off topic, but do any of you know how the Roman Empire arose? It wasn't just their engineering, military discipline or advanced political system.

It was their stubbornness.

Rome suffered defeat after defeat on its road to power. The sack of 390, Caudine Forks, or Cannae being clear examples. Yet the Romans absorbed their losses, raised more legions, then threw them at the enemy with lessons learned. They were relentless, taking defeats that none of their at times stronger contemporaries could, without the mere thought of surrender. This attitude would make them lords of the Mediterranean.

You lost a battle because you neglected the terrain. Learn from that, and raise more legions. Carthage was not destroyed in a day.
That sounds good....but none of that matters if they can just toss an algorithm into a machine and change your votes.
 

Airedale260

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They were picking fights with him.

You know, I'm glad you agree with the bulk of my post since, clearly, if you only have this minor nitpick we are on the same page.

However, while they were both doing it, it's one thing for an group of self-aggrandizing glorified gossip columnists to act like children. It's quite another when it's the President of the United States, who apparently has nothing better to do in the middle of the worst pandemic in a century than pick fights over something that is ultimately unimportant and also quite futile. Any competent politician knows that such fights only distract from actually accomplishing anything except soothing their own ego, which is not conducive to being seen as the leader the country needs in a time of major crisis.
 

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@Airedale260 , @The Original Sixth , it's time to face the facts. Your way of doing things doesn't work anymore.

Likely not to go anywhere. Several Democrats have made it clear they'll side with Republicans to stop this. All this is, is a waste of taxpayer dollars to look like they're doing something. They form a committee to make a feasibility study, who then write a report and then...nothing gets done. This is how Biden can say 'Hey look, I tried without actually trying.
 

The One Char

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Likely not to go anywhere. Several Democrats have made it clear they'll side with Republicans to stop this. All this is, is a waste of taxpayer dollars to look like they're doing something. They form a committee to make a feasibility study, who then write a report and then...nothing gets done. This is how Biden can say 'Hey look, I tried without actually trying.
I'm not so trusting.
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker
Likely not to go anywhere. Several Democrats have made it clear they'll side with Republicans to stop this. All this is, is a waste of taxpayer dollars to look like they're doing something. They form a committee to make a feasibility study, who then write a report and then...nothing gets done. This is how Biden can say 'Hey look, I tried without actually trying.
Several House Democrats also made it clear that they would never support impeaching Trump, including Nancy Pelosi herself, up until they impeached him. Twice.
 

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