Politicians and Government Cringe Thread

[mrttao]

This is exactly what the house republicans have tried to do since literally last year. Republicans want a border bill before funding overseas, the dems do not want to compromise on the border, thus yet again dems got everything they want because Republicans took the flack for not passing these bills and teamed up with dems to pass a big bill.

One at a time doesn't work because there's no guarantee you'll actually be able to pass the ones you care about.

One at a time does not work because the rhino party is full of traitors and controlled opposition.

 

[Poe]

One at a time does not work because the rhino party is full of traitors and controlled opposition.

Well, that's why nothing works. One at a time or otherwise

 

[mrttao]

Well, that's why nothing works. One at a time or otherwise

Yes, I apologize my last post was poorly worded.
I do not mean to say "one at a time is bad because it does not work because X"
I meant to say "one at a time is not bad. the reason it does not work is the same reason everything else does not work. that our so called party is full of RINO traitors."

There are no clever tricks we can try. One at a time, all at once, omnibus bill, fillibuster... no matter what we try, it won't work so long as the enemy is united and 50% of the RINO party are traitors

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Worth remembering that it's not the Democrat voters who are going to be taking the brunt of the immigration crisis. They'll only be hearing of it from the news media, which has been split between what would soon be called Neoliberals and Marxists since before the Russian Revolution was a thing.

 

[Blasterbot]

Yes, I apologize my last post was poorly worded.
I do not mean to say "one at a time is bad because it does not work because X"
I meant to say "one at a time is not bad. the reason it does not work is the same reason everything else does not work. that our so called party is full of RINO traitors."

There are no clever tricks we can try. One at a time, all at once, omnibus bill, fillibuster... no matter what we try, it won't work so long as the enemy is united and 50% of the RINO party are traitors

Safari out the RINOs. they are as bad as the democrats and pretend to be allies so they can knife the country while it is down.

 

[mrttao]

Safari out the RINOs. they are as bad as the democrats and pretend to be allies so they can knife the country while it is down.

In my opinon, RINOs are actually worse than democrats.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Safari out the RINOs. they are as bad as the democrats and pretend to be allies so they can knife the country while it is down.

Circular firing squads used to be a leftist thing.

"RINOs" are basically the only reason everyone on this board isn't in a reeducation camp. If not for moderate Conservatives constantly building bridges and making compromises with liberals, we would be destroyed at every election by Marxists who cosy up to the liberals by simply pointing out that we're too fanatical to work with, and so need to be destroyed.

Politics in democracies is all about compromise, negotiation, and strategy.

 

[Cherico]

Circular firing squads used to be a leftist thing.

"RINOs" are basically the only reason everyone on this board isn't in a reeducation camp. If not for moderate Conservatives constantly building bridges and making compromises with liberals, we would be destroyed at every election by Marxists who cosy up to the liberals by simply pointing out that we're too fanatical to work with, and so need to be destroyed.

Politics in democracies is all about compromise, negotiation, and strategy.

If they had more spine we could have prevented the Marxists from getting the insitutions or at the very least have kept them out of academia. There are clear limits to that approch and we should have been much harder on the Marxists expecially the ones with clear ties to terrorism.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

If they had more spine we could have prevented the Marxists from getting the insitutions or at the very least have kept them out of academia

No, they couldn't. The institutions already had a sympathy for the left, and the First Amendment protects free speech. And the people running these institutions were the elites of society, who could not be dislodged without the sort of violence that would bring about leftist rule anyway.

Destiny is laid in stone. Don't let those farcical AH forums make you believe otherwise. There was nothing anyone could have done to make things come out different from what they did.

 

[Cherico]

No, they couldn't. The institutions already had a sympathy for the left, and the First Amendment protects free speech. And the people running these institutions were the elites of society, who could not be dislodged without the sort of violence that would bring about leftist rule anyway.

Destiny is laid in stone. Don't let those farcical AH forums make you believe otherwise. There was nothing anyone could have done to make things come out different from what they did.

That we most definitely do not agree on.

The united states and the west spent roughly 40 years being threatened with nuclear anhilation by communist countries. Said countries murdered millions of people you could have very easily made an argument that we are not entitled to give teaching positions to people who support the complete destruction of our way of life. At the very least you could have said they were security risks and should never be given any kind of job with the federal buracracies.

While I do think that the big sea changes of historical cycles are hard to fight, the details are malable. It didn't need to be nearly this bad, there could have been a lot more push back and when the soviet union ended and we found out how much evil shit they got up to we could have mandated that communist attrocities be taught so future generations would learn from the past mistakes.

None of this shit was envitable.

Yes no matter what we did I think we would have problems today but they could have been lesser and not as bad.

 

[hyperspacewizard]

Circular firing squads used to be a leftist thing.

"RINOs" are basically the only reason everyone on this board isn't in a reeducation camp. If not for moderate Conservatives constantly building bridges and making compromises with liberals, we would be destroyed at every election by Marxists who cosy up to the liberals by simply pointing out that we're too fanatical to work with, and so need to be destroyed.

Politics in democracies is all about compromise, negotiation, and strategy.

When was the last time the democrats/liberals compromised on anything? If one side is always compromising and the other never does that’s a toxic relationship. Also there are some things where there just isn’t a compromise

 

[SoliFortissimi]

That we most definitely do not agree on.

That is irrelevant. We can argue as we might about history, but that won't change it.

Yes no matter what we did I think we would have problems today but they could have been lesser and not as bad.

No, the details were only because of smaller details. History was always immutable from the moment it began - wherever you set that point.

When was the last time the democrats/liberals compromised on anything? If one side is always compromising and the other never does that’s a toxic relationship. Also there are some things where there just isn’t a compromise

The transportation spending bill of 2015, by my reckoning. Obama gave up on 150 Billion dollars of spending. Before Obama 2 and since Bush 1, the parties were basically aligned on everything anyway.

 

[hyperspacewizard]

the parties were basically aligned on everything anyway.

that’s bad that’s a problem that’s why people are tired of the rinos they want people who will actually do something that will drag this country into a place our founders would be proud of that they can be proud of and not just be democrats driving the speed limit

 

[LordsFire]

the parties were basically aligned on everything anyway.

...You're going to have to explain this one for me, because I definitely can't see it.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

...You're going to have to explain this one for me, because I definitely can't see it.

I think you're old enough to remember the jokes about how both parties agree on basically everything, right? On Iraq, on free trade, on being hard on crime, om foreign policy in general, even on gay marriage.

It was basically the particulars, the tiny details, that they differed on.

 

[LordsFire]

I think you're old enough to remember the jokes about how both parties agree on basically everything, right? On Iraq, on free trade, on being hard on crime, om foreign policy in general, even on gay marriage.

It was basically the particulars, the tiny details, that they differed on.

...No it wasn't.

Democrats never really supported the war in Iraq; they briefly pretended to because it was popular, but that didn't last long.

Free Trade is the only one you're probably correct on, but even then, 'they get to layer tariffs against us, we put none against them' is not actually free trade, even if both parties were willing to put up with it for a long time.

The Democrats were the 'soft on crime' party back when that policy first became popular, and only temporarily made gestures about reversing their public stance when it became clear just how disastrous it had been. Now they're back to their old tricks again, and if you look at leftist academics and talking heads, they've been pushing for it again at least since the 90's.

Democrat foreign policy is best summed up between Obama's apology tour and Biden's obscene corruption. For any other faults you may care to name, every Republican in living memory has presented a strong America to the rest of the world, and has been willing to kick ass and blow shit up to make sure people know we're not to be trifled with.

Democrats have supported basically every sexual deviancy since the start of the sexual revolution in the 60's; how much they had to pretend to be good upstanding Christians to keep their share of the upper-middle class and lower-upper class WASP vote has varied by decade, but the left has been allied with the 'rainbow' crowd for my entire lifetime and then some. Up until Trump, every major Republican politician and candidate was against such things.


The two parties have held drastically different public stances on practically every major issue since the end of WWII, certainly since JFK died.