United States New York Red Flag Law victimizes Veteran

[Urabrask Revealed]

WhiskeyWarrior556 falls victim to New York’s red flag laws

On Friday, police showed up to a young man’s workplace and tried to arrest him over social media posts reported to them by an old army buddy of the 28-year-old Afghanistan veteran. This man, known as Alex and popular on Instagram under th...

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On Friday, police showed up to a young man’s workplace and tried to arrest him over social media posts reported to them by an old army buddy of the 28-year-old Afghanistan veteran. This man, known as Alex and popular on Instagram under the handle of WhiskeyWarrior556, slipped out of the back door, hurried home to check on his family where he found out police had already forced themselves into his home and confiscated his legal firearms after threatening his wife with calling child protective services to remove her newborn child. Alex then barricaded himself inside his own attic, unarmed. Law enforcement officers followed him, blocked off the road to all traffic and a seven-hour standoff began.

Alex told one friend that the man who called in the red flag law, lied to police by telling them that Alex suffered from PTSD. Putnam County Sheriffs reiterated this, claiming that this was a mental health issue, although offered no evidence of such an allegation.

A statement from Police Chief Michael Cazzari of local Carmel Police made this statement:

"This is a person in crisis, having mental illness, having issues and he didn't need the people on social media telling him that his rights are being violated. He needed help. Medical help."

If the current legal landscape allows for citizens to have their Second Amendment rights stripped from them without any legal opportunity to dissent, what are the next rights to be taken? After all, our rights to speech or religion, or even due process itself, have no obligation to be respected by the government without the right to bear arms.

This is why any person trying to pass Red Flag Laws should be forced out of office. Such people want to make a tyranny out of the USA, and they must be opposed with all available tools.

 

[prinCZess]

Even granting the man has the need for mental care and there were social media posts which somehow indicated such, this is the kind of action that stigmatizes (vets especially) from seeking mental care out or opening-up about it on their own, and contributes to additional issues (getting raided by the police is a pretty big stressor, I don't imagine it helps mental stability) by itself. That's ignoring any other allegation of CPS impropriety--which sounds like it might be his side being overly-dramatic but...has happened, so I'd be willing to hear what the story is there.

That is, of course, on top of the absolute mockery red flag laws in general and this kind of reliance upon lone whistleblowing combined with a LEO office--likely one jumpy about preventing the next shooting or doesn't want any egg from not being 'tough on crime' enough--makes of longstanding and quite important protections from unwarranted search and seizure.

 

[Doomsought]

That is, of course, on top of the absolute mockery red flag laws in general and this kind of reliance upon lone whistleblowing combined with a LEO office--likely one jumpy about preventing the next shooting or doesn't want any egg from not being 'tough on crime' enough--makes of longstanding and quite important protections from unwarranted search and seizure.

Its worse than this in Florida. The police will involitary commit a person, and when they are released because tehy are not insane, the police will then use the fact that they involitarilly commited their victim as "evidence" that the person has mental health issues and needs to have their guns taken away.

 

[Edgeplay_cgo]

Even granting the man has the need for mental care and there were social media posts which somehow indicated such, this is the kind of action that stigmatizes (vets especially) from seeking mental care out or opening-up about it on their own, and contributes to additional issues (getting raided by the police is a pretty big stressor, I don't imagine it helps mental stability) by itself.

This is a big problem for military, police, and other service providers. Particularly in the military, where there is no medical confidentiality. A lot of people would rather knowingly risk painting the ceiling, rather than having a random statement doom their career. And too many of them do.

 

[DarthOne]

Its worse than this in Florida. The police will involitary commit a person, and when they are released because tehy are not insane, the police will then use the fact that they involitarilly commited their victim as "evidence" that the person has mental health issues and needs to have their guns taken away.

...I’m getting all sorts of unpleasant ideas of how this could be weaponized, on top of how Red Flag laws can/are being misused

 

[Cherico]

...I’m getting all sorts of unpleasant ideas of how this could be weaponized, on top of how Red Flag laws can/are being misused

It will be weaponized because we have a lots of self important assholes who are complete fantics who will literally do anything for power.

 

[DarthOne]

It will be weaponized because we have a lots of self important assholes who are complete fantics who will literally do anything for power.

The only good thing is that might in turn cause the law to be thrown out.

...and I wish I was still foolish and optimistic enough to believe that will actually happen.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

The only good thing is that might in turn cause the law to be thrown out.

...and I wish I was still foolish and optimistic enough to believe that will actually happen.

Look at East Germany to see how well that one worked out. Stasi spies and "informants" everywhere, selling subversive neighbours out at the drop of a hat.

 

[DarthOne]

Look at East Germany to see how well that one worked out. Stasi spies and "informants" everywhere, selling subversive neighbours out at the drop of a hat.

Indeed.

Shame most of these libtard types don’t own guns. I bet the law would get repealed in short order if people started using it against them.

 

[Captain X]

The thing is, even if these laws eventually get overturned as unConstitutional, a lot of people are going to suffer in the meantime. Hell, one person's already been killed because of getting Red-Flagged.

 

[Edgeplay_cgo]

The thing is, even if these laws eventually get overturned as unConstitutional, a lot of people are going to suffer in the meantime. Hell, one person's already been killed murdered because of getting Red-Flagged.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

If you give up your guns when the jackboots come for you, you shouldn't have even bothered to buy them.

 

[DarthOne]

If you give up your guns when the jackboots come for you, you shouldn't have even bothered to buy them.

Agreed.

 

[Bacle]

If you give up your guns when the jackboots come for you, you shouldn't have even bothered to buy them.

Quoted for fucking truth.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: what would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? ... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
If... If.
We diddnt love freedom enough. And even more- we had no awareness of the real situation... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."

- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

 

[PsihoKekec]

Anyone following situation in Virginia? Half the counties there refuse to enforce the red flag laws and are now threathened with National Guard intervention.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Anyone following situation in Virginia? Half the counties there refuse to enforce the red flag laws and are now threathened with National Guard intervention.

Oooh, is the national guard even going to obey these orders, or are they just going to arrest whatever tinpot demorat politican tries to give the illegal laws?

 

[Captain X]

It's well over half of the counties now. I'm pretty sure it's down to fewer than a dozen counties left that either haven't decided yet, or have refused to become sanctuary counties. The real news is that one of these sanctuary counties is forming a militia, and another county has a sheriff saying he will deputize over a thousand citizens to resist any attempt by state or Federal authorities to enforce these laws.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Gunpowder alarm stage?

 

[Cherico]

Gunpowder alarm stage?

worst case senerio is civil war.