Neo-Nazi Leader Planned Baltimore Power-Grid Attack, DOJ Says

[Megadeath]

Not particularly but it was a rather common complaint that the prosecutors in various cities were just outright not charging people for riot related crimes.

I'd be open to that being exaggerated to some extent but when you compare the treatment of the rioters over the summer to the Jan 6th people or others where it's been shown the fbi was actively encouraging the crime like the attempted governor kidnapping... it's a rather stark difference.

That it was a common complaint hardly makes it true. In the right circles, it's a common complaint that NASA are obviously lying about going to the moon because the earth is flat. Tens of thousands of people being charged and prosecuted rather strongly argues the opposite. And if we actually look at the treatment of the Jan 6th rioters, only a handful have faced serious punishment, with most being given suspended sentences. About 190 serving any time at all, with only 2 serving more than 48 months, and only a handful more who are close to that.

 

[Bigking321]

That it was a common complaint hardly makes it true. In the right circles, it's a common complaint that NASA are obviously lying about going to the moon because the earth is flat.

?

I hardly think that other groups being wrong = this particular group being wrong. That feels like a complete fallacy.

There is plenty of evidence that riot related arrests not leading to charges or convictions happened. Comparing that to flat earthers is kinda dumb.

Tens of thousands of people being charged and prosecuted rather strongly argues the opposite.

I'll not dispute the arrests (though I'm honestly not sure at all they got to the tens of thousands. I'd be interested in seeing those statistics.) I would dispute the prosecuted part. There were all kinds of news stories about whoever got arrested for rioting not being prosecuted and being back on the street rioting a day or two later. I doubt there were enough riots at places actually prosecuting people to reach the tens of thousands mark.

And if we actually look at the treatment of the Jan 6th rioters, only a handful have faced serious punishment, with most being given suspended sentences. About 190 serving any time at all, with only 2 serving more than 48 months, and only a handful more who are close to that.

It's a matter of scale.

A few hundred people kicking up a fuss at the capital (with many being waved in by security and having the doors opened) causing some amount of property damage with the only fatality being a unarmed protester. For most the crime would be misdemeanor trespassing. If even that since a court ruled in one trial that if security tells you to enter then it's not trespassing.

Compared to a entire summer of riots, billions in damages, and over 60 deaths if I remember correctly.

But if we went by how the government treated each of them you would assume the Jan 6th thing was far worse.

I suppose I may have missed it but I don't recall any panels formed to investigate why the riots got so out of control or media calls to hold anyone accountable like they did for Jan 6th.

Just various politicians talking about how they supported the rioters, how covid restrictions didn't apply to those protests in particular, launching funding campaigns to pay bail for anyone actually charged, and the media saying "mostly peaceful protests" with burning buildings right behind them.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Ahhh yes the famous NSDAP party tactic of.
*Flips through notebook*
Breaking electrical power stations?
Setting fire to political buildings, that I would understand, but power stations which their own house probably relies upon?

 

[Abhorsen]

Yeah, I'm agreeing with @Aaron Fox and @Bacle here, this seems right wing, not left wing.Ahhh yes the famous NSDAP party tactic of.

*Flips through notebook*
Breaking electrical power stations?
Setting fire to political buildings, that I would understand, but power stations which their own house probably relies upon?

There's a persistent right wing fantasy about living after everything's gone to shit, and how well prepared you are for it. That becomes dangerous for society when they start to view civilization collapse as a good thing because they think they are ready for it and their enemies aren't.

Meanwhile, left wingers don't view what they are doing as collapsing civilization, even though it's much more likely to, but instead as improving it. It doesn't grab headlines, so it's a shit protest. And on top of that, they claimed no credit for it, so it cannot convey their message. They don't want to smash things up to cause social collapse. For them it's the message sent by the smashing that matters.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

There's a persistent right wing fantasy about living after everything's gone to shit, and how well prepared you are for it. That becomes dangerous for society when they start to view civilization collapse as a good thing because they think they are ready for it and their enemies aren't.

Meanwhile, left wingers don't view what they are doing as collapsing civilization, even though it's much more likely to, but instead as improving it. It doesn't grab headlines, so it's a shit protest. And on top of that, they claimed no credit for it, so it cannot convey their message. They don't want to smash things up to cause social collapse. For them it's the message sent by the smashing that matters.

I have certainly seen people discuss "Shoot all the power grids" as a viable tactic if you want to mess up a government, but that's for organized 'literally wipe out the state' levels of chaos.

But this event was a nothingburger and comes across as fake and gay. How come it's never "fifty organized men evade federal surveillance and wipe out the state's power grid overnight", and is always "a couple of nobodies anger a few thousand people for a little while and quickly are never heard from again"?

 

[Abhorsen]

I have certainly seen people discuss "Shoot all the power grids" as a viable tactic if you want to mess up a government, but that's for organized 'literally wipe out the state' levels of chaos.

But this event was a nothingburger and comes across as fake and gay. How come it's never "fifty organized men evade federal surveillance and wipe out the state's power grid overnight", and is always "a couple of nobodies anger a few thousand people for a little while and quickly are never heard from again"?

Because once you have 50 people, at least one is an FBI agent, at least 20 of them are informants for the FBI, and the rest get arrested the night before.

Bad actors know this because the FBI advertises that they infiltrate everything. Which stops a ton of plans from even occurring, even ones that would have had success and no infiltration, out of fear.

The FBI want you to think someone going around trying to get you to blow up stuff is a fed. If you believe this, then when offered the opportunity, your first impulse isn't to accept or reject it, but to think the guy is a plant that you'd better tell the FBI about lest you get arrested for somehow participating, or at the very least gtfo.

 

[49ersfootball]

Neo-Nazi Leader Planned Baltimore Power-Grid Attack, DOJ Says

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Yes, I know this is from Corporate Media and that it tends to provide "slanted" coverage. Nonetheless, it's pretty worrying — and should it prove true after more facts come out, then we have more to worry about than just the Far Left going berserk.

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[Cherico]

Because once you have 50 people, at least one is an FBI agent, at least 20 of them are informants for the FBI, and the rest get arrested the night before.

Bad actors know this because the FBI advertises that they infiltrate everything. Which stops a ton of plans from even occurring, even ones that would have had success and no infiltration, out of fear.

The FBI want you to think someone going around trying to get you to blow up stuff is a fed. If you believe this, then when offered the opportunity, your first impulse isn't to accept or reject it, but to think the guy is a plant that you'd better tell the FBI about lest you get arrested for somehow participating, or at the very least gtfo.

this is why I'm pretty much convinced the next american civil war will be kicked off by a FBI operation gone wrong.

 

[Abhorsen]

this is why I'm pretty much convinced the next american civil war will be kicked off by a FBI operation gone wrong.

Eh, honestly, this strategy is devestatingly effective at crushing organized violent opposition to the US. It fails on lone wolves entirely. So I doubt it'll cause a civil war, and it's one of the main reasons there isn't likely to be a civil war unless a state govt. wants there to be. Any attempt will be known about before hand, infiltrated and destroyed, because people will assume (probably correctly) that the organizer is a fed, and so instantly call the cops.

 

[Sailor.X]

My money is on the FBI they are after all the only reason why the klan is still around

Nope sorry that dog won't hunt. The reason the Klan is still around is because some people are literally filled with hate. I have met a few Klansman and they do indeed hate people of another Color and Yankees with no help needed from the FBI to do so.

 

[LordsFire]

Nope sorry that dog won't hunt. The reason the Klan is still around is because some people are literally filled with hate. I have met a few Klansman and they do indeed hate people of another Color and Yankees with no help needed from the FBI to do so.

Aye, such people are still around. Just because the Klan has lost the ties to political power it once held, does not mean it's completely extinct.

It's important to keep in mind that while anti-black racism was mostly wiped out by the early 2000's, that is not the same as actually being wiped out.

I do hope that the continuous race hustling doesn't cause a mass resurgence.

 

[Cherico]

Aye, such people are still around. Just because the Klan has lost the ties to political power it once held, does not mean it's completely extinct.

It's important to keep in mind that while anti-black racism was mostly wiped out by the early 2000's, that is not the same as actually being wiped out.

I do hope that the continuous race hustling doesn't cause a mass resurgence.

I don't think that's in the cards, the populist backlash against all this is already rising and what I see is a mulitracial movement. Whites, Asians, Hispanics, blacks, and others. The big losers of the coming civil wars isn't going to be black men. In my opinion its going to be women.

Because quite simply put its because telling a soliger that he will get custody over his children and get to see them again gives you a much bigger motivation to fight and kill then some screaming haraden who tells you your worthless because your a man.

 

[ShieldWife]

It’s possible this is legit, just very very unlikely. I personally don’t believe it, at least not as presented, and if true, it’s still probably either an FBI setup or a nothingburger.

Even if it’s completely real, it’s lone crazies, not systemic violence that the left encourages.

Neither the mainstream media nor federal law enforcement deserve any benefit of doubt. They are liars, the are biased, they are corrupt.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

My kneejerk reaction is to assume this is a lie.

There is an old saying that even the blind squirrel will find a nut every once in a while. Truthfully while the FBI is corrupt and has taken sides in the political debate that doesn't change the fact that they are not omnipotent and even in their corrupted asshole form their entire job description pretty much entails finding out about things like this.

Assuming each and every person that has been arrested by the FBI on the right must automatically be innocent is no different than assuming every black man killed by cops must have been a racist attack.

In this case I don't see why we need assume it's a lie. A liberal run up to you screeching about how horrible this is and tries to make you cry over it or feel *remorse*, just snort disavow this act as not being endorsed by yourself and move on the worst they can do is publicly call you a liar.

I never got this sh*t of literally assuming anybody who claims to be rightwing must be a saint if the FBI arrest them damn their own stated ideology or confession to the contrary. Neo Nazi's aren't our friends any more than the Chinese have been since Nixon anybody who says otherwise is a revisionist, they have a known history of pulling this shit so when federal agents point to this as an excuse to infringe on our rights tell them straight up to cut the bullshit that you are not affiliated nor happy with the groups goals and tell them to get lost and to let those wannabe Storm Troopers to rot and suffer for all you care, they offer us nothing but negatives to our movement anyway.

The sooner you call out manufactured bullsh*t *concern* for what it is and give them nothing to complain about, the better off we will all be.

 

[Bigking321]

I never got this sh*t of literally assuming anybody who claims to be rightwing must be a saint if the FBI arrest them damn their own stated ideology or confession to the contrary.

I... don't think anyone is doing that?

The main things I've seen people say is that it's either a fake glowie op or someone setup by the feds.

I may have missed it but I don't think I've seen anyone claiming that the people arrested are innocent or a Saint. More like a plant or a patsy.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

I may have missed it but I don't think I've seen anyone claiming that the people arrested are innocent or a Saint. More like a plant or a patsy.

The fact is that people being quick to jump to conclusions regarding the FBI often overlook the fact that by immediately assuming it's a plant or patsy via kneejerk reacting often come across as getting defensive over it compared people who just ignore the situation entirely.

Who really cares that a bunch of Neo-Nazis get arrested? They have no connections to us and we don't identify with them on any level to care. Yes, Liberals will try to liken them to us and perhaps 'yes' be it real or fabricated they will use this as a pretext to liken us as all being terrorist by association news at 11.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. We don't need to apologize for anything, nor do we need to jump to conclusions regarding the FBI because we have no proof one way or the other and we look like we are trying to lessen the blame that rightly lay with these individuals because FBI goading or no, idiots or geniuses these guys were planning to attack the electric grid that is an established fact so let's condemn them for what we know they did.

This isn't to say @Captain X or others are meaning to do as a I know personally neither he nor anyone else is to my knowledge a neo-nazi, I am merely stating his and others views towards gov agencies like the ATF and FBI have made him rightly and perhaps overly paranoid.

For example to me his response as blunt as it is comes across as being almost immediately dismissive and deflectory. After all why immediately assume a set up? Why immediately assume that somehow every extreme hate group in the U.S. is somehow on their payroll?

It comes across as trying to shift any and all culpability for any of these groups actions especially in threads like this.

Example: "What three Klan members in Mississippi lynch a black dude?!!! *Sniff* The smell of glowie is strong here..."

Why does it smell like glowie? Because we must immediately assume that there couldn't be three white dudes that bigoted? That the omniscient FBI had to have known or had these people on payroll and allowed it to happen for political reasons? Ect.

Again, not insinuating anything here just making sure people realize this jumping to these conclusions with little evidence comes across as cope when it shoudn't.

 

[Captain X]

You seem to be missing the point, which is that the FBI certainly wishes to paint us all as Neo-Nazis. And given the history of the FBI and other such government agencies, I'm just going to assume that this kind of bullshit involves them somehow. That thing with the Michigan governor was just a few guys. That draw Mohamed thing in Texas was just a couple of guys.

 

[Bigking321]

I don't think anyone really cares about the people arrested one way or the other. They are either real or fake. So guilty of something.

It's more about doubting the fbi than anything. And they've given plenty of examples why pattern recognition tends to tip the scales firmly on the doubt side.

If it's a legit arrest, good for them. Glad they're doing their job.

It in no way would make me trust them again. They've burnt that bridge.

 

[ShieldWife]

If you’re reading this, you should definitely care what happens to Neo-Nazis, because you are one. As far as the media, establishment, and FBI are concerned we’re all Nazis. You may be black, you may be Jewish, if you’re opposed to the leftist establishment agenda then you’re a Nazi and that is what you’ll be labeled when it’s useful for them to do so.

If some glowie came here, made some posts advocating violence, then the FBI came in and started arresting moderators and staff for conspiracy to commit terrorism - you better believe that the media would report it as a Nazi plot being stopped and we should all hope that people would care what happens to “Nazis” then.

These guys may literally be Nazis, I don’t know, but everyone deserves the presumption of innocence especially when accused by institutions that have shown themselves to be thoroughly corrupt and deceitful. I have to say that even just the name “Atomwaffen” glows really brightly to me.

Also, the great majority of the public doesn’t draw conclusions about the world based on carefully researched facts. They create narratives. Narratives do not come from completely researching every news story, that would be impossible, rather they come from briefly observing thousands of different news reports and getting a general sense of how the world works based on that.

The mainstream media reports a hate crime here, it reports the FBI stopping a far right terrorist plot there, it calls Jan 6th a violent insurrection, and it does these things over and over again for years. No one can research every claim, so they form a narrative in their minds about the epidemic of racism, hate crime, and right wing terrorism. Once this narrative is created, it is very hard to fix. Because even if someone deeply investigated one of these news stories and learned the truth - they would see that as an outlier but would continue to believe the general ideas pushed by the media.

This ability for the establishment to create narratives can only be stopped by disbelieving their claims as the default reaction. Because when it comes to reporting on racism (at least from white people), “far right” misbehavior, or anything of the sort - it’s a really safe assumption to make that the media (and their ideological allies including feds) are lying.

I am going to assume that this story is a lie until it is proven otherwise. An approach that has served me well many many times in the past. If some snake oil salesman comes up to you and offers you a potion that cures cancer for $100, and you look him up and finds he has a giant criminal record for fraud especially selling fake medicine, then it would be really foolish to give him the benefit of the doubt about his cancer cure. Even though it’s theoretically possible that he does have a cancer cure. That is the equivalent of our MSM when it comes to politically charged news stories about the supposed danger of the far right.