Neo-Nazi Leader Planned Baltimore Power-Grid Attack, DOJ Says

[Zyobot]

Neo-Nazi Leader Planned Baltimore Power-Grid Attack, DOJ Says

(Bloomberg) -- A Neo-Nazi leader and his girlfriend hoped to lay “waste” to Baltimore by attacking multiple electrical substations, Justice Department officials said.Most Read from BloombergQuakes Kill 2,500 in Turkey and Syria; Millions Lose PowerTurkey’s South Hit by a Second High-Magnitude...

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Yes, I know this is from Corporate Media and that it tends to provide "slanted" coverage. Nonetheless, it's pretty worrying — and should it prove true after more facts come out, then we have more to worry about than just the Far Left going berserk.

 

[Captain X]

My kneejerk reaction is to assume this is a lie.

 

[Typhonis]

My kneejerk reaction is to assume this is a lie.

Lie or another FBI glowie op.

 

[Zyobot]

My kneejerk reaction is to assume this is a lie.

As I said, I'm well aware the Corporate Press regularly gives "slanted" coverage that kind of falls apart when you really investigate it. But at the same time, I think we should wait for further documentation and testimony before jumping to conclusions. Even if the reporting in this case is framed deceptively, it's not like the Right (or loonies who're roped in with them, like Neo-Nazis) will remain peaceful forever, so long as the Far Left keeps acting out and pushing the envelope.

Lie or another FBI glowie op.

Look, I get the FBI does lots of shady shit, but by that logic, couldn't they be grooming Far Left agitators just as they are Far Right ones? They certainly tend to overlook the former while focusing disproportionately on the latter, so I think it's natural to ask whether the Far Left is more prone to terrorism and criminality without the glowies coaxing them... or if they're also being deliberately targeted for radicalization by the same government organizations. ... Okay, I really need to stop invoking the Left whenever we're discussing the Right.

 

[Captain X]

Look at the "plot" to kidnap that governor. Of course they would love to try to make the Right look bad, and provide an excuse to crack down on them.

 

[Rocinante]

As I said, I'm well aware the Corporate Press regularly gives "slanted" coverage that kind of falls apart when you really investigate it. But at the same time, I think we should wait for further documentation and testimony before jumping to conclusions. Even if the reporting in this case is framed deceptively, it's not like the Right (or loonies who're roped in with them, like Neo-Nazis) will remain peaceful forever, so long as the Far Left keeps acting out and pushing the envelope.




Look, I get the FBI does lots of shady shit, but by that logic, couldn't they be grooming Far Left agitators just as they are Far Right ones? They certainly tend to overlook the former while focusing disproportionately on the latter, so I think it's natural to ask whether the Far Left is more prone to terrorism and criminality without the glowies coaxing them... or if they're also being deliberately targeted for radicalization by the same government organizations. ... Okay, I really need to stop invoking the Left whenever we're discussing the Right.

As captain x said, they target the right for their ops because then they get to crack down on the right.

They're an arm of the democratic party.

So, maybe an actual neo-nazi did this. The different between the left and their ANTIFA thugs and the right, is that we condemn neo nazis, whole they shield antifa or pretend they don't exist.

Anyways, the way things go as of late, it's a glowie op until I see otherwise.

 

[Bacle]

Federal prosecutors on Monday announced charges against Florida resident Brandon Clint Russell, an alleged leader of a Neo-Nazi group called Atomwaffen Division, and Sarah Beth Clendaniel of Maryland, saying the two conspired to destroy an energy facility.

I would have thought glowie op as well, till I read this.

Anyone retarded enough to be part of Atomwaffen is retarded enough to try to pull something like this, no glowies needed.

 

[Cherico]

My money is on the FBI they are after all the only reason why the klan is still around

 

[Abhorsen]

It isn't spicy enough for an FBI plot. FBI plots are run by FBI agents. An FBI agent wants notoriety and flashyness, in order to get promotions and maybe a book deal. They want to be seen as saviors and courageous. This plot doesn't get them that. There was no bomb (an FBI favorite as they can get the guy to 'blow' it up with fake TNT), no assassination/kidnapping plot, just a dude shooting up a transformer. The guy also wasn't caught immediately, which secures the collar and perp walk for the FBI agent planning the whole thing.

None of the facts on the ground line up with an FBI agent's goals basically. So I'd lean towards legit.

 

[Zyobot]

My money is on the FBI they are after all the only reason why the klan is still around

Well, I know the Klan is pretty small, as is, but I don’t suppose you could elaborate on why you think the FBI's the only reason it exists any more? 🧐

It isn't spicy enough for an FBI plot. FBI plots are run by FBI agents. An FBI agent wants notoriety and flashyness, in order to get promotions and maybe a book deal. They want to be seen as saviors and courageous. This plot doesn't get them that. There was no bomb (an FBI favorite as they can get the guy to 'blow' it up with fake TNT), no assassination/kidnapping plot, just a dude shooting up a transformer. The guy also wasn't caught immediately, which secures the collar and perp walk for the FBI agent planning the whole thing.

None of the facts on the ground line up with an FBI agent's goals basically. So I'd lean towards legit.

I'm inclined towards that myself, yeah. Or at least, am concerned that we'll see homicidal lunatics on the Right begin to rise up and retaliate for real as the 2020s progress, regardless of the FBI's role (or lack thereof) in this case specifically.

However... while I know I just got done saying I should stop bringing up the Left in a thread that's not about them, that does raise the question of why the FBI and law enforcement are so quick to thwart Neo-Nazis and other generally "Non-Left" terrorists, but are largely silent on the Far Left burning, looting, and murdering their way through Atlanta, Portland, and other cities in broad daylight? Somewhat rhetorical question, of course, but still worth repeating all the same, I think.

 

[Cherico]

Well, I know the Klan is pretty small, as is, but I don’t suppose you could elaborate on why you think the FBI's the only reason it exists any more? 🧐



I'm inclined towards that myself, yeah. Or at least, am concerned that we'll see homicidal lunatics on the Right begin to rise up and retaliate for real as the 2020s progress, regardless of the FBI's role (or lack thereof) in this case specifically.

However... while I know I just got done saying I should stop bringing up the Left in a thread that's not about them, that does raise the question of why the FBI and law enforcement are so quick to thwart Neo-Nazis and other generally "Non-Left" terrorists, but are largely silent on the Far Left burning, looting, and murdering their way through Atlanta, Portland, and other cities in broad daylight? Somewhat rhetorical question, of course, but still worth repeating all the same, I think.

Because FBI agents are the only klan members who pay their dues

 

[Zyobot]

Because FBI agents are the only klan members who pay their dues

No, but seriously, I'd like some links and references, please. Because it's a great deal easier to corroborate what you're referring to if you actually have something to back it up.

 

[Aaron Fox]

I'm not surprised that it's a Neo-Nazi group, given that these chucklefucks want to LARP The Turner Dairies so fucking bad.

Also, they're more likely to pull this sort of shit than the left.

 

[Bacle]

I'm not surprised that it's a Neo-Nazi group, given that these chucklefucks want to LARP The Turner Dairies so fucking bad.

Also, they're more likely to pull this sort of shit than the left.

You are right, hitting the electrical grid and substations is pretty much something I only hear about from Right Wing folks looking forward to the boog and wanting to cut off cities.

BLM and co like visible, open, politically backed violence in the public square against the 'oppressors', not infrastructure targeting.

 

[Megadeath]

Well, I know the Klan is pretty small, as is, but I don’t suppose you could elaborate on why you think the FBI's the only reason it exists any more? 🧐



I'm inclined towards that myself, yeah. Or at least, am concerned that we'll see homicidal lunatics on the Right begin to rise up and retaliate for real as the 2020s progress, regardless of the FBI's role (or lack thereof) in this case specifically.

However... while I know I just got done saying I should stop bringing up the Left in a thread that's not about them, that does raise the question of why the FBI and law enforcement are so quick to thwart Neo-Nazis and other generally "Non-Left" terrorists, but are largely silent on the Far Left burning, looting, and murdering their way through Atlanta, Portland, and other cities in broad daylight? Somewhat rhetorical question, of course, but still worth repeating all the same, I think.

Well, there was over 10,000 arrests associated with the BLM protests/riots in just the first ten days, so I don't think it can reasonably be argued that the police have been entirely complacent regarding them. There's also been many thousands more since.

 

[prinCZess]

I'm only confused about one bit of this:

Russell plotted from at least last June...

...

Prosecutors noted that Russell was sentenced in January 2018 to five years in prison for possessing an illegal destructive device

Was he plotting this stuff from inside prison? Or, I presume/hope? he was just released 6+ months early on good behavior and presumably parole and this came out?

Seems that way, I guess? (article with a few more details)

In 2018, he began communicating with Clendaniel, who was also in prison and whose criminal history includes felony armed robbery in 2006, according to prosecutors.


Both were on parole at the time of their most recent arrests.

But it STARTED while they were BOTH in prison?
...
It's a bold strategy, I guess?

 

[Bigking321]

Well, there was over 10,000 arrests associated with the BLM protests/riots in just the first ten days, so I don't think it can reasonably be argued that the police have been entirely complacent regarding them. There's also been many thousands more since.

It's more the officials that then immediately had them released without charges.

Sure lots of arrests were made in the beginning. But that kinda stopped later because the cops were getting pressured to just let them riot and got sick of constantly arresting people just for them to be released over and over again.

 

[Megadeath]

It's more the officials that then immediately had them released without charges.

Sure lots of arrests were made in the beginning. But that kinda stopped later because the cops were getting pressured to just let them riot and got sick of constantly arresting people just for them to be released over and over again.

Do you have any kind of specific figures or statistics on that?

 

[Cherico]

No, but seriously, I'd like some links and references, please. Because it's a great deal easier to corroborate what you're referring to if you actually have something to back it up.

The FBI’s Main Klan Man: How Infamous N.C. White Supremacist George Dorsett Made a Mint Off the Feds - INDY Week

“Sure, Dorsett made some fiery speeches. But if he hadn’t, he would have been worthless.”

indyweek.com

This incident comes to mind as well as others

 

[Bigking321]

Do you have any kind of specific figures or statistics on that?

Not particularly but it was a rather common complaint that the prosecutors in various cities were just outright not charging people for riot related crimes.

I'd be open to that being exaggerated to some extent but when you compare the treatment of the rioters over the summer to the Jan 6th people or others where it's been shown the fbi was actively encouraging the crime like the attempted governor kidnapping... it's a rather stark difference.