Most famous historical war plans?

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WolfBear

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What are some of the most famous historical war plans? I can personally think of these ones:

-The US's various color-coded war plans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_color-coded_war_plans
-The Schlieffen Plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlieffen_Plan
-The Manstein Plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manstein_Plan
-France's Plan XVII: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_XVII
-Plan 1919: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_1919
-Operation Dropshot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dropshot
-Operation Unthinkable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable
-Seven Days to the River Rhine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine
-Operation Sealion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion
-Operation Downfall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
-Operation Overlord: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Overlord
-The Anaconda Plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_Plan
-Austria-Hungary's Plan U: https://www.the-sietch.com/index.ph...-1914-a-h-civil-war-in-1917.6077/#post-229423

Anyway, which additional famous historical war plans can you think of?
 
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Husky_Khan

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Well before I clicked on this Thread I was going to say Schlieffen Plan, though I was like going to call it the Schieffelin Plan Or Something Unless I googled it. Oh wait nevermind, it would've autocorrected it... as I just did.

So yeah Schlieffen Plan is the most famous because it's the first one I thought of. Probably because unlike many of your other links, it is also known as a "Plan" as opposed to "Operation" in popular vernacular.

Also I never heard of have no recollection of France's Plan XVII, Plan 1919, Operation Dropshot or Seven Days to the River Rhine so lemme guess what those are.

Plan XVII... I honestly have no idea. I can't even fathom Which War it would've been applicable to.

Plan 1919... I'm assuming that's the Allied Plan to Invade Germany since those Huns won't give up until you drive them back against the Rhine and Occupy their Cities and gun down Commie and Militarist alike!

Operation Dropshot... uhhh probably British. World War Two. Some insane operation. Involving airplanes? Did it actually occur? *stares* I'm saying no, it was just a theory... a MILITARY THEORY(etical).

Seven Days to the River Rhine sounds exactly like the Soviet Plan for the Cold War in Europe. In fact... the more I think about it, that sounds exactly like what this is. I do know what this is... or do I?

And now the Answer Session!

Plan XVII: Yep Completely Wrong. Zero Points.

Plan 1919: I mean I'm partly right, but I figured it was a general war plan, not some theoretical nonsense about tanks striking the rear areas of the enemy lolwtf? Five points out of ten.

Operation Dropshot: Wow... completely wrong. Well except for the airplanes. ONE POINT. Oh and theoretical and thus never implemented. TWO POINTS! Also is it insane? IS IT INSANE? Sure... Two point five points.

Seven Days to the Rhine River: Yeah think I got it right. Ten out of Ten.

Wow I made this entire post about myself and didn't answer the question at all. I expect many likes!
 
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WolfBear

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Husky_Khan said:
Well before I clicked on this Thread I was going to say Schlieffen Plan, though I was like going to call it the Schieffelin Plan Or Something Unless I googled it. Oh wait nevermind, it would've autocorrected it... as I just did.

So yeah Schlieffen Plan is the most famous because it's the first one I thought of. Probably because unlike many of your other links, it is also known as a "Plan" as opposed to "Operation" in popular vernacular.

Also I never heard of have no recollection of France's Plan XVII, Plan 1919, Operation Dropshot or Seven Days to the River Rhine so lemme guess what those are.

Plan XVII... I honestly have no idea. I can't even fathom Which War it would've been applicable to.

Plan 1919... I'm assuming that's the Allied Plan to Invade Germany since those Huns won't give up until you drive them back against the Rhine and Occupy their Cities and gun down Commie and Militarist alike!

Operation Dropshot... uhhh probably British. World War Two. Some insane operation. Involving airplanes? Did it actually occur? *stares* I'm saying no, it was just a theory... a MILITARY THEORY(etical).

Seven Days to the River Rhine sounds exactly like the Soviet Plan for the Cold War in Europe. In fact... the more I think about it, that sounds exactly like what this is. I do know what this is... or do I?

And now the Answer Session!

Plan XVII: Yep Completely Wrong. Zero Points.

Plan 1919: I mean I'm partly right, but I figured it was a general war plan, not some theoretical nonsense about tanks striking the rear areas of the enemy lolwtf? Five points out of ten.

Operation Dropshot: Wow... completely wrong. Well except for the airplanes. ONE POINT. Oh and theoretical and thus never implemented. TWO POINTS! Also is it insane? IS IT INSANE? Sure... Two point five points.

Seven Days to the Rhine River: Yeah think I got it right. Ten out of Ten.

Wow I made this entire post about myself and didn't answer the question at all. I expect many likes!
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In regards to your last two sentences here, at least you tried! That's good enough, right? ;)
 
Husky_Khan

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Hmmm only 'theoretical' War Plan I can think of off the top of my head (besides cheating and saying "War Plan Red, Orange, Black etc etc etc) is the 'Anaconda Plan' proposed by General Winfield Scott at the outset of the American Civil War.

I know there was a British Plan for War with the United States in the Interwar Years but I can't recall it's particular name, and looking it up will be cheating.

From WW2 I can recall of Operation Citadel which led to the Battle of Kursk, Operation Barbarossa obviously and Fall Blau which followed the next year that led to Stalingrad.

Oh and Operation Husky and Cobra, with that Patton guy involved. I'm sure if I think about it more I can name a lot more Operations by name from WW2, but it'd feel like naming 'Campaigns' in general. And this is Famous War Plans, not military campaigns.

But I think the Anaconda Plan would be a legitimate addition.
 
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WolfBear

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Husky_Khan said:
Hmmm only 'theoretical' War Plan I can think of off the top of my head (besides cheating and saying "War Plan Red, Orange, Black etc etc etc) is the 'Anaconda Plan' proposed by General Winfield Scott at the outset of the American Civil War.

I know there was a British Plan for War with the United States in the Interwar Years but I can't recall it's particular name, and looking it up will be cheating.

From WW2 I can recall of Operation Citadel which led to the Battle of Kursk, Operation Barbarossa obviously and Fall Blau which followed the next year that led to Stalingrad.

Oh and Operation Husky and Cobra, with that Patton guy involved. I'm sure if I think about it more I can name a lot more Operations by name from WW2, but it'd feel like naming 'Campaigns' in general. And this is Famous War Plans, not military campaigns.

But I think the Anaconda Plan would be a legitimate addition.
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Yeah, I thought of the Anaconda Plan yesterday but forgot to mention it here, possibly because it's not listed here and thus it slipped out of my mind yesterday:


I'll go add it right now. :)
 
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@Husky_Khan Which cases were there where a blockade was used by one country in a war to try starving its enemy into submission and/or to block its trade? I can think of the Union blockading the Confederacy during the American Civil War, Britain blockading Germany during both World Wars, and Nigeria blockading Biafra during the Nigerian Civil War, but which additional examples of this am I forgetting to list here?
 
Husky_Khan

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WolfBear said:
@Husky_Khan Which cases were there where a blockade was used by one country in a war to try starving its enemy into submission and/or to block its trade? I can think of the Union blockading the Confederacy during the American Civil War, Britain blockading Germany during both World Wars, and Nigeria blockading Biafra during the Nigerian Civil War, but which additional examples of this am I forgetting to list here?
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I wasn't even aware of the Biafran Blockade though it certainly makes sense. I guess they had a pretty small coastline and Nigeria's Navy, whatever state it was in at the time, could blockade it. How effective could that of been however?

There was also the eventual blockade of Japan that didn't really ramp up, but would've during the Pacific War, likely due to the fact Japan was losing its merchant marine and much of its rapidly expanded Co-Prosperity Sphere was left withering on the vein halfway across the Pacific and bits of Asia.

But yeah, most blockades tended to be done in conjunction with Sieges and the like, rather localized like say the Ottoman-Byzantine Wars in regards to Constantinople for example. Or with the Crusaders besieging Muslim Coastal Cities.

Only historical examples of Blockades I can think of off the top of my head that had some tangible effect was mostly Britain, such as in regards to the French Revolution and Napoleonic Europe, or Russia in regards to the Crimean War IIRC. There was a Baltic Front of that War which was rather overlooked.

Earliest blockades were probably by Britain on French North America and India in the Seven Years War and mitigating ones on America in the American Revolution and War of 1812 (which coincided with the Napoleonic War of course).

Oh and there was the United States Navy blockade of the Barbary Coast States at the turn of the century which actually turned out semi-successful in conjunction with other operations.

France also attempted a blockade of Germany during the Franco-Prussian War but IIRC it didn't actually amount to much of anything. Blockade effectiveness before modern warships tended to be at the mercy of the weather and other intangibles still I guess.
 
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Megadeath said:
Sweden's secret plan to work with NATO if the cold war went hot.

Operation reforger, the movement of the bulk of American forces back to Europe.
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Zachowon said:
Reforger was a huge thing.
I think we should do it again. This time not plan but di.

Or make a new oke that is for INDOPACOM.


Which there probably is one
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Interesting:


The logistics to successfully pull this off must have been quite something! Though possibly not as impressive as those for Operation Overlord (D-Day), especially relative to their time.
 
Aldarion

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WolfBear said:
What are some of the most famous historical war plans? I can personally think of these ones:

-The US's various color-coded war plans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_color-coded_war_plans
-The Schlieffen Plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlieffen_Plan
-The Manstein Plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manstein_Plan
-France's Plan XVII: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_XVII
-Plan 1919: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_1919
-Operation Dropshot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dropshot
-Operation Unthinkable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable
-Seven Days to the River Rhine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine
-Operation Sealion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion
-Operation Downfall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
-Operation Overlord: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Overlord
-The Anaconda Plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_Plan

Anyway, which additional famous historical war plans can you think of?
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I only knew of the Schlieffen Plan, Operation Unthinkable, Operation Sealion and Operation Downfall. I don't count Overlord cause that stuff actually happened.
 
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WolfBear said:
I'm inclined to disbelieve that the Soviet Union was actually preparing for offensive operations against Nazi Germany in 1941.
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They planned to do so,Suworow proved it in "Icebreaker".
Tey keep units on border,which happen only if soviets planned to attack.
They replace border NKWD units in many places ,which also happen only during attacks.
And they have maps of german-controlled territories,not soviet ones.
Not mention mini-dictionaries for soldiers,where they have such sentences like "Are there any SA members here"
And SA was only on german soil,not occupied territories.
 
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I have just remembered Austria-Hungary's Plan U:


From Geoffrey Wawro's A Mad Catastrophe:

"All objective observers laid the decline of the Austro-Hungarian military at Hungary’s door. The rulers in Vienna were no exception, and following the 1903 concessions those outside the emperor’s drowsy and rather credulous inner circle began planning to do something about the Hungarian impediment. Quietly, the forty-two-year-old Archduke Franz Ferdinand added a Plan U—as in Ungarn (Hungary)—to the raft of Austrian war plans in 1905. If the Hungarians continued their obstruction of every Austrian effort to revive the monarchy, a large Austrian army would stream into Hungary by rail and the Danube, seize Budapest, and install a Habsburg military governor. Of the five Austro-Hungarian corps situated in Transleithania, only one—IV Corps, recruited around Budapest—was expected to fight for Hungary in a civil war. The rest were manned with Croats, Rumanians, Slovaks, Ukrainians, and Serbs and were expected to fight for the emperor. According to the French embassy, a civil war “like 1848,” when Austrian troops had invaded Hungary and crushed a revolution there, was avoided in the early 1900s only because the Hungarians knew that they would lose a military contest and the Austrians feared that the Italians would seize the opportunity presented by an Austro-Hungarian civil war to invade contested Habsburg territories like Trieste, Trentino, and South Tyrol."
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themarcksplan said:
The Marcks Plan
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Interesting!
 
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