Vyor
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So it isn't even close to motor oil, got it.
Modern Food Controversies! The Food Pyramid, Seed Oils, Corn Syrup, the 'F' in FDA, Processed Foods and More!
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Buba
A total creep
So, after "who doesn't jump is for Trump!" we now have "who doesn't shit their brains out is for Trump!"?
You are the Superior Being - I bow to you!
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You are:
1.One of missing Primarchs
2.Paul Mual Dib
3.somebody more powerfull.
4.Very lucky
5.Slowly dying.
Vyor
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seed oil does not kill people. Never has, never will.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
It has, it does and it will.
Seed oils and sugar are some of the biggest killers in the modern world.
How Vegetable Oils Make Us Fat
Over-consuming vegetable oils, which contain evolutionarily unprecedented amounts of the omega-6 fat linoleic acid, can cause obesity.
www.zeroacre.com
Are Seed Oils Toxic? The Latest Research Suggests Yes
Seed oils never underwent safety testing for premarket approval. Here, we examine the disturbing toxicity and safety data that have come to light recently.
www.zeroacre.com
Oh, and they help cause Alzheimers:
High dietary omega-6 fatty acids contribute to reduced docosahexaenoic acid in the developing brain and inhibit secondary neurite growth - PubMed
Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA, 22:6omega-3) is a major polyunsaturated fatty acid in the brain and is required in large amounts during development. Low levels of DHA in the brain are associated with functional deficits. The omega-3 fatty acids are essential nutrients and their metabolism and...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Low concentrations of cis-linoleic acid induce cell damage in epithelial cells from bovine lenses - PubMed
As low as 5 micromol/l of cis-linoleic acid proves to be cytotoxic for bovine lens epithelial cells in culture. Albumin eliminates the linoleic acid cytotoxicity completely, presumably by binding the fatty acid. However, the damaging effect appears again when the molar ratio of linoleic acid to...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Linoleic acid inhibits in vitro function of human and murine dendritic cells, CD4+T cells and retinal pigment epithelial cells - PubMed
LA inhibited the function of human and murine DCs, CD4<sup>+</sup>T cells, and RPE cells, regulated the expression of proteins, and promoted the apoptosis of human DCs. These results collectively suggest that LA might decrease the function of immune cells in vitro, and further studies are needed...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"Just bad food" is literally the leading cause of death in the United States:
The top leading causes of death in the United States
This article looks at the leading causes of death in the United States, including heart disease, cancer, and the impact of COVID-19.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
Robovski
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I expect heating it will increase the lethality. After boiling the oil then you typically pour it from the battlements onto the invading force.
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Well now that's kinda cheating on the 'lethality' point; boiling water does nearly the same thing, just without being flammable.
Robovski
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But oil sticks! Boiling water just scalds.
Vyor
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Seed oils and sugar are some of the biggest killers in the modern world.
How Vegetable Oils Make Us Fat
Over-consuming vegetable oils, which contain evolutionarily unprecedented amounts of the omega-6 fat linoleic acid, can cause obesity.
This chart does not show what they are claiming it shows.
Indeed, this chart shows a direct correlation with the amount consumed affecting obesity rates, not simply where the fat comes from. If it were about where the fat came from then you'd see the others going down at the same rate vegetable oil consumption was going up and still see obesity rates going up.
When you only need 1800 calories to maintain the same weight and you're taking in an extra 450 on top of that in comparison to what you'd be eating in 1960... yeah, no shit you're going to gain weight.
But they failed even earlier than that!
There is no tribe, population, or nation that hasn't started consuming vegetable oils. Period. You can swap out "vegetable oils" with water and have it be exactly the same amount of correct.
But let's see about other correlations that can be made, mm?
Now then, let's see which nations top the charts in obesity rates...
It looks like there's a correlation here, now let's do the same with vegetable oil.
Oh hey, look at that: no correlation with obesity. If there was, China and Croatia would be the fattest countries in the world and it wouldn't even be close.
So take your psuedo science garbage and shove it.
Vyor
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Correcting this chart, though the conclusion is the same the data is slightly different:
As one can see here, India and China both consume more vegetable oils than the USA... and all three countries primarily use soybean oil.
Turkey, meanwhile, is quite far down on this list and... they still have a lot of obesity, higher than both China and India and on par with the USA, which lines up with food consumption.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
There is another issue with American soybean oil and that is that it all comes from genetically modified crops and we do not ferment it like East Asian countries do.
Vyor
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GMOs are good, will always be good, and have literally never shown to be bad ever. Healthwise anyway, the morality of allowing a company to patent a genetic sequence remains to be seen.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about, do you?This chart does not show what they are claiming it shows.
Indeed, this chart shows a direct correlation with the amount consumed affecting obesity rates, not simply where the fat comes from. If it were about where the fat came from then you'd see the others going down at the same rate vegetable oil consumption was going up and still see obesity rates going up.
When you only need 1800 calories to maintain the same weight and you're taking in an extra 450 on top of that in comparison to what you'd be eating in 1960... yeah, no shit you're going to gain weight.
But they failed even earlier than that!
There is no tribe, population, or nation that hasn't started consuming vegetable oils. Period. You can swap out "vegetable oils" with water and have it be exactly the same amount of correct.
But let's see about other correlations that can be made, mm?
Now then, let's see which nations top the charts in obesity rates...
It looks like there's a correlation here, now let's do the same with vegetable oil.
Oh hey, look at that: no correlation with obesity. If there was, China and Croatia would be the fattest countries in the world and it wouldn't even be close.
So take your psuedo science garbage and shove it.
For starters, where things come from also has to do with the amount consumed. You know what has vegetable fat in it? Processed foods. Which are deliberately designed to promote hunger and thus obesity. And vegetable fat itself increases overall consumption of calories due to the way it interacts with organism.
Are Seed Oils Giving You the Munchies?
Endless cravings? Seed oils, high in linoleic acid, appear to activate the same pathways as cannabis, stimulating hunger and contributing to unwanted weight gain.
www.zeroacre.com
And Croatians are in fact extremely obese. We ARE one of the fattest countries in the world, so what the fuck are you going on about?
Carrot of Truth
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I have noticed that since my food allergies made processed food a no go that my hunger is far easier to quench now.
Vyor
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No need to avoid healthy omega-6 fats - Harvard Health
Omega-6 fats were once criticized as unhealthy, but researchers for the American Heart Association have concluded that they are in fact beneficial to the heart. ...
www.health.harvard.edu
Dietary linoleic acid lowering alone does not lower arachidonic acid or endocannabinoids among women with overweight and obesity: A randomized, controlled trial - PubMed
The linoleic acid (LA)-arachidonic acid (ARA)-inflammatory axis suggests dietary LA lowering benefits health because it lowers ARA and ARA-derived endocannabinoids (ECB). Dietary LA reduction increases concentrations of omega-3 eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) and DHA...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
As for fast food making you hungry? That isn't the result of seed oils, that's the result of it lacking nutrients, fiber, and above all... having a lot of fast digesting carbs that, upon digestion, cause a spike in insulin which sharply drops your blood sugar which causes hunger signals.
You missed the second, corrected, graph and had a reading comprehension failure the same as I did on the other didn't you?
The graph I said in reference to that was not vegetable oil consumption, just vegetables.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
I never said it is a result of only seed oils.
But fact remains that seed oils are toxic, for multiple reasons. Biggest one is how they are made.
Just look at the production process of, say, sunflower oil [1, 2, 3]:
- drying seeds using heat treatment methods
- frying seeds
- mechanical extraction
- pressurizing seeds to extract oil
- this is it for virgin sunflower oil
- chemical extraction
- hexane is poured over the leftower cake
- hexane is then removed
- refinement of crude oil
- degumming
- alkali neutralization
- bleaching
- dewaxing
- deodorization
But in general, each step of processing food - any food - results in loss of nutrients, reduction of quality in food and creation of toxic compounds. Yes, even cooking. If you can, you should eat your food raw. Even meat, assuming you have your own animals and know they are healthy (which unfortunately is not an option for vast majority of population).
Fast food is however extra bad because it combined literally all bad things about modern diet:
- high amount of carbohydrates
- extreme levels of processing
- high quantities of processed nutrients (e.g. seed oil)
- combines carbohydrates with fat
- high caloric density
- low nutrient density
No, I have not missed it. It is just irrelevant.
BTW, India happens to be one of the least healthy countries in the world... they aren't fat because they don't have much food, but their vegan diet is playing merry hell with them:
Vyor
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You just implied it so heavily that it's the only reasonable conclusion for what you said.
There is not and has never been proof of this. You can assert it as true as much as you want, it just isn't.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
I don't use seed oils and instead prefer tallow and lard out of preference as more natural, but it is just that a preference of health attitudes the less processed foods in one's diet the better your health will be in most cases in my opinion.
That being said I think the difference between China, India, and the U.S. in oil intake might also be down to a lack of physical activities, I am not saying Americans are lazy people, just that people in the more densely packed Asia tend to walk and bike commute far more often than their U.S. counterparts, that and longer working hours, less food to buy because of lower wages
That being said I think the difference between China, India, and the U.S. in oil intake might also be down to a lack of physical activities, I am not saying Americans are lazy people, just that people in the more densely packed Asia tend to walk and bike commute far more often than their U.S. counterparts, that and longer working hours, less food to buy because of lower wages
I think that conversation deserves its own particular thread as GMO discussion is a lot more nuanced and goes into debates over patent law and the moral quandaries of what a company should or should not be able to own and for how long.