Carrot of Truth
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Well the problem is that 98% of seed oils are derived from GMO's so the conversation is so intertwined its impossible to separate them
Modern Food Controversies! The Food Pyramid, Seed Oils, Corn Syrup, the 'F' in FDA, Processed Foods and More!
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Well the problem is that 98% of seed oils are derived from GMO's so the conversation is so intertwined its impossible to separate them
It isn't impossible because as someone who farms and knows the basic peculiars of how seed oil is made, I know GMOs aren't a requirement, you can use most any type of unsweet field or "Dent" corn be it GMO or otherwise to make vegetable, oil it isn't a requirement to the process.
The above is a bare bone home bought press for making vegetable oil all it takes is heat and pressure of whatever seed you are using and presto you have homemade processed seed-oil.
I do get maybe bringing up that GMO crops may have made making it more efficient in some areas, but I don't think GMOs are connected enough to the alleged health effects of seed oil that they deserve to be boxed into the same category of discussion, I think the chief discussion surrounding GMO's are patent law, and problems with modern American agriculture which are grossly different subjects than discussing the alleged health effects of food I am really hoping the thread doesn't devolve into that type of discussion.
Carrot of Truth
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Here is the thing though, The above conversation isn't about homemade seed oils people make for themselves on their own but about seed oils in processed food or the seed oils you would buy from a store.
I know homemade oils are more health than industrial seed oils to a certain extent, my argument isn't that, my argument is against you stating that GMO are a 'big' reason as to why industrial seed-oils are a problem. Simply put Seed oil's most serious alleged health problems have always been alleged to come from fat hydrogenation or inflammation CRP and unless you can pull up a study saying explicitly that if cooking oil makers swapped out GMO ingredient's for otherwise that a huge majority of their problems would instantly be solved then my point hasn't changed.
I am pretty firmly in the camp that natural fats from lard and tallow are better health wise than vegetable/seed oils, what I am dubious of however is you overemphasizing GMO's as a root cause of their problems rather than a rotten cherry on top of an already shit Sunday.
In short, I think GMO's aren't helping but aren't the main cause in seed oil's problems as opposed to fat hydrogenation from using heat, added chemicals and a whole slew of smaller but more relevant things.
You have proof otherwise that GMO's are a leading contributor to seed oil's alleged bad health effects then just post the source and be done with it.
Carrot of Truth
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Never said it was a leading cause of anything my original post was pointing out that @Vyor's statement about GMOs never having any negative effects ever was false.
Vyor
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And sugar is considered a potential aggravator of death to a number of people.
Carrot of Truth
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Unless you are importing it from Spain most "olive oil" in the US is actually soybean oil.
I am currently in Germany. We buy on the economy not on post.
It's all 100 percent extra virgin olive oil.
In the US I have places I will buy it from and make sure jt isn't soybean oil.
I found the habit of finding local olive oil sellers that sell the real deal, often because they make it themselves or import from europe
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That is just not true and would be illegal to do.
Carrot of Truth
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But it is fucking true and its not illegal to not mention something is adulterated with soybean oil because even though its an allergen it is not classified as one.
Proof of this.
Carrot of Truth
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How are you not aware of this already? Getting real olive oil is not an easy thing to do.
The Olive Oil Scam: If 80% Is Fake, Why Do You Keep Buying It?
It's a safe bet that all that extra virgin, high quality olive oil you've been buying in recent years is not that at all but, rather, poor quality, mixed oils - or maybe not even olive oil at all in a global industry that's rife with corruption.
www.forbes.com
I can find countless articles about this. I learned of this problem the hard way because I have lethal allergic reactions to the tiniest amounts of soy. California Olive Ranch used to be legit Olive Oil but at some point it started getting diluted with soybean oil.
Imported olive oil quality unreliable, study finds
Nearly three-quarters of the samples of top-selling imported olive oil brands failed international extra virgin standards, according to a new report by researchers at the University of California, Davis, and in Australia. “The United States is the third-largest consumer of olive oil in the...
www.ucdavis.edu
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Carrot of Truth
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It's illegal in Europe because cutting olive oil is done by the Mafia, It is not infact illegal to do that in the United States
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It very much is illegal to do in the USA. Forbes is... a US focused outlet.
For God sakes! Lying about the location of importation in the U.S. is illegal like @Vyor says but @Carrot of Truth is also right in that like Honey and Maple Syrup most Olive Oil in the U.S. is in fact fake, unless the label explicitly says "100% Extra Virgin Olive Oil" a company is not obligated for the olives in the oil for it to be cold pressed or explicitly made completely from the oil of olives.
The above is a fact.
The above is a fact.
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Aldarion
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Yes, there is and there has. And it is true, you just don't want to admit to reality.
Impact of consumption of repeatedly heated cooking oils on the incidence of various cancers- A critical review - PubMed
Repeated heating of vegetable oils at high temperatures during cooking is a very common cooking practice. Repeatedly heated cooking oils (RCO) can generate varieties of compounds, including polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH), some of which have been reported as carcinogenic. RCO is one of...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Remember that vegetable seed oils are repeatedly heated during the production process? Yeah, they already have carcinogens when you buy them in the bottle. Frying or cooking with them only makes it even worse.
The Hidden Dangers of Seed Oils and Carcinogens in Everyday Products - Hoag
Seed oils are plant-based cooking oils derived from the seeds of various plants. Because of how they are produced, they often lead to inflammation and disease in the body.
www.hoag.org
Industrial vegetable oils show dangerous levels of toxic elements, surpassing traditional oils
Evaluation of potentially toxic elements in the vegetable oils traditionally or industrially produced in the Hamadan province of Iran.
www.news-medical.net
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They don't heat these oils to over 200c during production, which is the temp needed to produce PAHs. More, any oil can have these form during cooking, not just seed oil. This includes olive oil.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Yes they do:
Vegetable oil - Wikipedia
This heating is in fact done several times, although not necessarily at so high temperatures. And as I also pointed out, seed oils are in addition chemically processed. It is a complex multi-stage process which you cannot compare to simply heating the olive oil on a frying pan.
Refining Vegetable Oils: Chemical and Physical Refining - PMC
This review presents recent technologies involved in vegetable oil refining as well as quality attributes of crude oils obtained by mechanical and solvent extraction. Usually, apart from virgin oils, crude oils cannot be consumed directly or ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov