Jada or Will IIRC, saw it on multiple articles.
He probrably keeps it secret.
MGTOW Opinion
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Fleiur
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Fidelity is dead in Hollywood. News at 11.
Valiran
I am a sad capybara.
I stumbled across MGTOW on Reddit and, going by the information in the sidebar, thought it was a neat idea. Doing the things you want to do and bettering yourself without the expectation of meeting women sounds fine and dandy to me. A man doesn't require a woman in his life any more than a woman requires a man; so long as it's all kept sensible and healthy, you do you.
Then I looked at the sub's content and realized that 1: It was infested with red-pill incels, and 2: the moderators were allowing them to stick around. That was when I walked away, feeling disquieted and mildly unclean.
Then I looked at the sub's content and realized that 1: It was infested with red-pill incels, and 2: the moderators were allowing them to stick around. That was when I walked away, feeling disquieted and mildly unclean.
This is an accurate portrayal of my feelings on the subject.
I fit into MGTOW as you described it. This actually makes you MORE attractive to women. The whole being independent and not needing them, and not putting the pussy on a pedestal makes a man highly attractive. If you value yourself enough to not have to seek approval, or let rejection from women phase you, women will pick up on and be attracted to that. I've had better luck with women since I stopped giving a fuck about what women think about me. Funny how that works.
So in that sense, I've gone my own way. The movement though, is full of a bunch of woman hating losers, who never will do anything to improve their lives or situations, and hate women for not wanting their basement dwelling, non hygienic, loser selves. They "go their own way," because they're so terrified if rejection, that they preemptively reject all women, before the women have a chance to reject them.
Essentially, they're cowards hiding behind a movement.
Bear Ribs
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Agree with @Rocinante. Fundamentally there's nothing wrong with the base concept of men going their own way but if they're organized on the internet something's wrong. You don't need to tell anyone about it, there's nothing to pass on about the value of not dating. You just walk away.
Putting together forums to advertise about how much you don't care about women is just foolish and going to attract the wrong sort of attention. It's like going up to a person and loudly declaring that you don't care about their opinion, or the posts I see of people discussing how little some other poster matters to them. If you really didn't care you would never speak to or about them in the first place.
Putting together forums to advertise about how much you don't care about women is just foolish and going to attract the wrong sort of attention. It's like going up to a person and loudly declaring that you don't care about their opinion, or the posts I see of people discussing how little some other poster matters to them. If you really didn't care you would never speak to or about them in the first place.
LifeisTiresome
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The most bullshit argument ever. If you don't care or dislike something, just keep quiet like a good boy.
Do you follow this? Why are you here if you didn't have problems with how leftists are? By your own bs, you should keep quiet and never speak up.
Lesbians who despite having little to do with men never shut up about how men are evil with their fellow feminists.
MGTOW just do what everyone else does, try and keep cohesion and spread their message to others. But this is wrong for them but ok when feminists or you do it.
Lovely showing of protecting the female as always. Feminists are the enemy. They are leftists and helped create all the theories we are dealing with. Women supported the "refugees" who came to places like France and UK and then started burning the churches and grooming kids.
But clearly MGTOW is the problem.
Fleiur
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Who hurt you?
Bear Ribs
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No, and your rant is pretty messed up there. You're thinking of MRAs, who are activists for specific rights for men. While I don't agree with every MRA message I respect their right to say something, along with feminists, leftists, communists, and most other -ists. Activists who want to get a message out should speak about their message, and should be allowed to speak their message.
MGTOW is very different. Their message is that they don't care and they're going to go do their own thing over there away from women, which is their right. However, inherently, this means they don't have any reason to spread their message because their message is I don't care. But their actions make that a lie, because if they actually didn't care they wouldn't be eagerly promoting that message. Walking up to somebody to loudly inform them you won't talk to them is foolishness.
LifeisTiresome
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They speak to other men about the dangers of marriage and how gynocentric everything is so that they too can become MGTOW. What is that other then spreading their message? They from what I have seen have always been like this.
Again, double standards BS.
Nobody. I don't consider myself a MGTOW or a supporter of their whole thing. I just despise this double standard of let leftists which is also feminists say whatever they want but if men say something similar, they are evil and should just shut the fuck up.
Also, nice proving the MGTOW's right. They make points where women always say this.
I have posted before where feminists created trans bullshit. The bullshit that pumps boys with estrogen and calls for the annihilation of the family. Do you dispute this?
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Fleiur
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So what do you consider yourself as?
Well, evil things exist in this world. Abortion, child trafficking, child pornography, transgender kids. That's why you call out evil things and fight them. You protect vulnerable human beings.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
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It's over Obi-Wan you don't have the high ground.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Another ex makes it big with 2 million a month.
So I was watching some videos by a conservative commentator I sometimes listen to, Andrew Klavan. He did a short segment talking about MGTOW, another talking about what to look for in a good wife. He was critical of MGTOW, mostly for the aspect of mistaking feminism for how all women are. He didn't really get into the aspect of the legal system being weighted against men, more about the mentality of the people involved in the "movement".
I made the mistake of wading into the comment section. The MGTOW people who showed up in response proved everything Klavan said about their mentality, and then some. He didn't go as far as to call MGTOW misogynistic, but I will. If the people who were commenting are representative of MGTOW, then it is a misogynistic group. People saying there's no such thing as a "good woman", making broad statements about how all women support injustices against men. Guys commenting under other people's comments, often women, just to accuse them of these things and tell them how terrible they are.
It's funny, because I think MGTOW has a point. The legal system is weighted against men with laws regarding marriage, and it's something men need to consider when looking for a partner and deciding if it's even worth it to get married. The system could stand to be reformed. And some men did talk about having very bad experiences with being married.
I don't think that amounts to a valid reason to avoid marriage altogether, because I'm a Christian and I believe there is a higher, God-given purpose to marriage beyond being a beneficial contract that the government recognizes. It's the God ordained context for sexual relationships, and for having a family. Having children and raising a family is something most people should aspire to, and a healthy, loving marriage is the best environment for kids to grow up in. Now having said that, it is Biblically valid to forego marriage in a certain context. If you can forego sexual relationships, if you think you can focus on serving God more without a spouse and children, then it's good not to marry. But somehow I don't think that's what MGTOW is aiming for.
MGTOW is premised on a non-religious worldview that doesn't see that higher purpose in marriage. It's godless. It's actually quite similar in its premises in that regard to radical feminism, post modernism, all the progressive -isms, taking God out of consideration. It's funny, when saying how unfair they were being towards women, I would get responses like, "Well feminism talks about men like this, so how DARE men talk that way in response!" It's like.... Yeah, radical feminism is pretty terrible. But that's no justification for expressing views that are just as terrible and erroneous, if not more so!
You're BOTH wrong.
Then there's the whole "good women who would make good wives don't exist". It's bitter, it's prejudiced, it's delusional. Yes, it can be hard to find good women, but you have to look in the right places, you have to set yourself up for success. You have to go where good women will be, you have to be the kind of man a good woman will find attractive. For me, there are plenty of good women in solid Bible-believing churches. But that's a whole other problem. A lot of these MGTOWs seem like they would be rather...out of place at a church, to put it lightly. The problem at that point being they aren't good men, not that there aren't any good women. It's a whole other topic, but it seems like they have a lot to work on about themselves before they can attract good women. But they don't seem interested in that, and would rather just rant about how there are no good women and that anyone who disagrees is out of touch or lying. It's pathetic.
Anyways. This was just on the brain after some interactions with MGTOWs. I know (I hope) not all MGTOWs are like that, but those interactions certainly left a bad taste in my mouth. There's a kernel of truth to what MGTOW asserts, but the worldview is askew and the response seems out of whack.
I made the mistake of wading into the comment section. The MGTOW people who showed up in response proved everything Klavan said about their mentality, and then some. He didn't go as far as to call MGTOW misogynistic, but I will. If the people who were commenting are representative of MGTOW, then it is a misogynistic group. People saying there's no such thing as a "good woman", making broad statements about how all women support injustices against men. Guys commenting under other people's comments, often women, just to accuse them of these things and tell them how terrible they are.
It's funny, because I think MGTOW has a point. The legal system is weighted against men with laws regarding marriage, and it's something men need to consider when looking for a partner and deciding if it's even worth it to get married. The system could stand to be reformed. And some men did talk about having very bad experiences with being married.
I don't think that amounts to a valid reason to avoid marriage altogether, because I'm a Christian and I believe there is a higher, God-given purpose to marriage beyond being a beneficial contract that the government recognizes. It's the God ordained context for sexual relationships, and for having a family. Having children and raising a family is something most people should aspire to, and a healthy, loving marriage is the best environment for kids to grow up in. Now having said that, it is Biblically valid to forego marriage in a certain context. If you can forego sexual relationships, if you think you can focus on serving God more without a spouse and children, then it's good not to marry. But somehow I don't think that's what MGTOW is aiming for.
MGTOW is premised on a non-religious worldview that doesn't see that higher purpose in marriage. It's godless. It's actually quite similar in its premises in that regard to radical feminism, post modernism, all the progressive -isms, taking God out of consideration. It's funny, when saying how unfair they were being towards women, I would get responses like, "Well feminism talks about men like this, so how DARE men talk that way in response!" It's like.... Yeah, radical feminism is pretty terrible. But that's no justification for expressing views that are just as terrible and erroneous, if not more so!
You're BOTH wrong.
Then there's the whole "good women who would make good wives don't exist". It's bitter, it's prejudiced, it's delusional. Yes, it can be hard to find good women, but you have to look in the right places, you have to set yourself up for success. You have to go where good women will be, you have to be the kind of man a good woman will find attractive. For me, there are plenty of good women in solid Bible-believing churches. But that's a whole other problem. A lot of these MGTOWs seem like they would be rather...out of place at a church, to put it lightly. The problem at that point being they aren't good men, not that there aren't any good women. It's a whole other topic, but it seems like they have a lot to work on about themselves before they can attract good women. But they don't seem interested in that, and would rather just rant about how there are no good women and that anyone who disagrees is out of touch or lying. It's pathetic.
Anyways. This was just on the brain after some interactions with MGTOWs. I know (I hope) not all MGTOWs are like that, but those interactions certainly left a bad taste in my mouth. There's a kernel of truth to what MGTOW asserts, but the worldview is askew and the response seems out of whack.