#MeToo and Cancel Culture: Friday is bring your own torches and pitchforks day!

Valiran

I am a sad capybara.
If I could make a further point, whatever is to be done with any statue should be decided with a vote from the community; not the will of a violent mob. Because it renders the social contract, the very legitimacy of the state over the individual, null and void, and teaches people that they only way to get what they want, is through violence.
And this is what convinced me. Have a like while I go correct my post.
 

CarlManvers2019

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If I could make a further point, whatever is to be done with any statue should be decided with a vote from the community; not the will of a violent mob. Because it renders the social contract, the very legitimacy of the state over the individual, null and void, and teaches people that they only way to get what they want, is through violence.
And this is what convinced me. Have a like while I go correct my post.

The question is, WHO is the Community, are you all ONE Nation ONE State or people from a bunch of different states who identify as being part of one nation

If said violent mob is in larger numbers than the "local community" then it wins out, especially if the locals don't speak out or are shouted down or even killed en masse
 

Valiran

I am a sad capybara.
They're not very likely to be he extremely loud and argumentative ones, though.
That's true of basically everything, I think. Anyone who's behaving like that is in no mood for debate, at least for the moment. God knows I've believed one thing when I got riled up and become more amenable to discussing things after calming down.

The question is, WHO is the Community, are you all ONE Nation ONE State or people from a bunch of different states who identify as being part of one nation

If said violent mob is in larger numbers than the "local community" then it wins out, especially if the locals don't speak out or are shouted down or even killed en masse
I'd say "the community" would be the city of Baltimore. And I haven't seen any indication that the situation has become bad enough that we need to start worrying about the people of Baltimore being "killed en masse" for just discussing whether or not the statue ought to be taken down.
 
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CarlManvers2019

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I'd say "the community" would be the city of Baltimore. And I haven't seen any indication that the situation has become bad enough that we need to start worrying about the people of Baltimore being "killed en masse" for just discussing whether or not the statue ought to be taken down.

If the people of Baltimore outnumber the mob and say no, the mob can’t do anything about it except take it down illegally
 

PsihoKekec

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I reckon this article is quite topical

Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Manipulators Are More Likely To Engage in 'Virtuous Victim Signaling,' Says Study

New study links virtue signaling to "Dark Triad" traits. Being accused of "virtue signaling" might sound nice to the uninitiated, but spend much time on social media and you know that it's actually an accusation of insincerity. Virtue signalers are, essentially, phonies and showoffs—folks who adopt opinions and postures solely to garner praise and sympathy or whose good deeds are tainted by their need for everyone to see just how good they are. Combined with a culture that says only victimhood confers a right to comment on certain issues, it's a big factor in online pile-ons and one that certainly contributes to social media platforms being such a bummer sometimes.
 

CarlManvers2019

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I’d quote Hegel but I’m not a philosophy major. Eventually all things turn into their opposite. A becomes B which becomes C. What we are seeing is this dialectical principle on a civilizational scale in front of us.

A cycle of authoritarianism and libertarianism
 

Hlaalu Agent

Nerevar going to let you down
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A cycle of authoritarianism and libertarianism

Liberal democracy turns into fascism, huh? Must be deja vu for the folks in the Merkelreich Germany, huh?

Don't worry if Aristotle is right, after a time of tyranny, we should return to the proper forms of government, maybe we can try to avoid the degeneration again and stick to the right form of the rule of many.
 
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So the West self-destructs, Africa crumbles without Western money, and Asia...stays Asia.

Put another way, the West goes back to being a bickering bunch of small states and principalities, Africa reverts to Dark Continent status, while Asia regains its status as a fantastic, semi-mythical land of wonders inhabited by people with complex and hierarchical societies.

Basically, Human civilization reverts to the pre-modern standard.
If the end of days does not come before that is...
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
So the West self-destructs, Africa crumbles without Western money, and Asia...stays Asia.

Put another way, the West goes back to being a bickering bunch of small states and principalities, Africa reverts to Dark Continent status, while Asia regains its status as a fantastic, semi-mythical land of wonders inhabited by people with complex and hierarchical societies.

Basically, Human civilization reverts to the pre-modern standard.

You do realize that a lot of Asia would implode (economically at the very least) too if this was the case, right? China will be in serious danger of mass starvation; they might be in serious danger of starvation just if the 3 Gorges Dam fails, and that will have all kinds of nasty knock-on effects.

You have a strangely romanticized view of Asian culture, given how much of it has been semi-voluntarily over-run by ideas from other cultures, both good and bad.
 

Arch Dornan

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I’ve always heard Ellen Degeneres is a really nasty mean person, when not on camera.

So it’s not surprising.
 

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