#MeToo and Cancel Culture: Friday is bring your own torches and pitchforks day!

PsihoKekec

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Here's a question I just found myself asking: how long until calls go out for the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution to be replaced since its authors were white men who also kept slaves?
Sooooon

There were already calls, but are marginalized so far, however with acclerating vilification of everything whitey, I reckon there will be mainstream calls for their scrapping in a less than a year.
 

Jaenera Targaryen

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“Fair Trials” are EVIL because OBVIOUSLY the definitely guilty rapists or men are definitely guilty

And allowing a trial is spitting on the “victims” who are extremely traumatized and how dare you ask for evidence

That’s definitely one right that will be considered bigoted AF

Or better yet, the old example of argumentum ad passiones/misericordiam "I'm the victim here!" that's always used to demonize lawyers doing cross-examinations and asking questions that need answers :rolleyes:

Sooooon

There were already calls, but are marginalized so far, however with acclerating vilification of everything whitey, I reckon there will be mainstream calls for their scrapping in a less than a year.

And then after that, it's the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. Good God...
 

Jaenera Targaryen

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Everything by dead white men must go, it's why libraries across the USA are throwing classics from Plato to Sheakspere into trash bins.

Are you f*ck*ng serious?

You know what this reminds me of?

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I dunno about you guys, but I'm going to stock up on literature classics. While I'm still confident that here in Asia, our millennia-old civilization will protect our society from going mad like what's starting to happen in the West, best to prepare for the worst. If any of you decide to do the same, toss in a Bible and a Koran, while you're at it. You never know what might happen.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Are you f*ck*ng serious?

You know what this reminds me of?

FatherlyAlienatedIntermediateegret-size_restricted.gif


I dunno about you guys, but I'm going to stock up on literature classics. While I'm still confident that here in Asia, our millennia-old civilization will protect our society from going mad like what's starting to happen in the West, best to prepare for the worst. If any of you decide to do the same, toss in a Bible and a Koran, while you're at it. You never know what might happen.

Nah, that one's protected and loved by the Far Left

If anything, Muslims who are probably on average more devoted and not as secular, will be able to take over. the Far Left by strength of will or simply by having stronger personalities or a "charisma" from actual authoritarian-statist-collectivist types

The followers of Christ lack that zeal and lost so much dedication that they'll bend backwards and kneel to Desmond
 

DarthOne

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Nah, that one's protected and loved by the Far Left

If anything, Muslims who are probably on average more devoted and not as secular, will be able to take over. the Far Left by strength of will or simply by having stronger personalities or a "charisma" from actual authoritarian-statist-collectivist types

The followers of Christ lack that zeal and lost so much dedication that they'll bend backwards and kneel to Desmond
This one won’t. And I bet that goes for a lot of us.
 

Valiran

I am a sad capybara.
Here's the thing about cancel culture that I haven't seen mentioned yet: it's a double-edged sword.

If there's convincing and reliable evidence that someone famous is a scumbag then hell yes society should cancel them! Case in point:



No, Mr Cosby, you're not "America's Dad"; you're a rapist, and in prison where you belong.

Then there's the more recent incident where protesters tore down a statue of Christopher Columbus and dumped it in the harbor. The man's behavior was so utterly reprehensible even by the standards of 16th-century Spain that the Crown had him stripped of his titles and arrested for it! Columbus doesn't deserve to have a statue erected in his honor any more than Leopold II or Saddam Hussein.

My only complaint about the event is that they tossed the statue into the drink instead of melting it down to make something useful, like a lavatory.


Edit: After some discussion with @Terthna later in this thread, I've decided it would have been better to have the statue replaced by a community vote or some other method, rather than a mob tearing it down. Columbus was a terrible person, but AFAIK there was no reason the statue had to be torn down right then and there.
 
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Cherico

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Here's the thing about cancel culture that I haven't seen mentioned yet: it's a double-edged sword.

If there's convincing and reliable evidence that someone famous is a scumbag then hell yes society should cancel them! Case in point:



No, Mr Cosby, you're not "America's Dad"; you're a rapist, and in prison where you belong.

Then there's the more recent incident where protesters tore down a statue of Christopher Columbus and dumped it in the harbor. The man's behavior was so utterly reprehensible even by the standards of 16th-century Spain that the Crown had him stripped of his titles and arrested for it! Columbus doesn't deserve to have a statue erected in his honor any more than Leopold II or Saddam Hussein.

My only complaint about the event is that they tossed the statue into the drink instead of melting it down to make something useful, like a lavatory.



Once again much what we know of Christopher Columbus's time as a governor is from his political enemies who have every reason to distort the truth in order to gain favor/power. There are arguments that he made some "token" efforts to look after native rights and curtail 'small' abuses.

An asshole yes but the argument we was worse then the standards of the time is difficult to prove because what evidence we have comes from his worst enemies.
 

Arch Dornan

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Once again much what we know of Christopher Columbus's time as a governor is from his political enemies who have every reason to distort the truth in order to gain favor/power. There are arguments that he made some "token" efforts to look after native rights and curtail 'small' abuses.

An asshole yes but the argument we was worse then the standards of the time is difficult to prove because what evidence we have comes from his worst enemies.
Did those worse enemies of his also did what Colombus was accused of participating in the slave trade?
 

Cherico

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Did those worse enemies of his also did what Colombus was accused of participating in the slave trade?

That's almost a garentee, and weird thing is a lot of the 'progressive' people of the time supported the slave trade because they thought of it as a way to help keep America's native population away from the truly murderous portions of colonial life and save their lives and of course 'civialize' and Christianize the African population that was brought in.

The fact that it was also in their naked self interest of course plays a part.

To be fair to them the sugar plantation system was absolutely fucking murderous and went through human lives like a knife through butter, but replacing one group to mass die with another group to mass die doesn't really solve the whole moral delema thing.
 

Urabrask Revealed

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Then there's the more recent incident where protesters tore down a statue of Christopher Columbus and dumped it in the harbor. The man's behavior was so utterly reprehensible even by the standards of 16th-century Spain that the Crown had him stripped of his titles and arrested for it! Columbus doesn't deserve to have a statue erected in his honor any more than Leopold II or Saddam Hussein.
Fuck off. Columbus was a better man than any of his colleagues. He discovered America and brought news about it back to Spain. The statues stay, and whiners can go colonize Spain if they hate it so much here.

The nerve of these people, demonizing the heroes of the past because they are unPC, why don't y'all start digging up the graves of confiderate graves and put them on trial for slavery? Precedent for THAT is present after all.
 

Arch Dornan

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That's almost a garentee, and weird thing is a lot of the 'progressive' people of the time supported the slave trade because they thought of it as a way to help keep America's native population away from the truly murderous portions of colonial life and save their lives and of course 'civialize' and Christianize the African population that was brought in.

The fact that it was also in their naked self interest of course plays a part.

To be fair to them the sugar plantation system was absolutely fucking murderous and went through human lives like a knife through butter, but replacing one group to mass die with another group to mass die doesn't really solve the whole moral delema thing.
'Progressive' people what a sick joke.
 
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I honestly don’t really care about the historical facts here. This is a campaign against western history and civilization(some would be more blunt and say white culture and civilization but I digress).

Don’t give the mob legitimacy at all. Don’t concede that tearing down statues is a legitimate form of politics, or that western history and culture must be “deconstructed” or “have a reckoning” the moral authority should never ever be ceded.

Leopold of Belgium and I guess Pizarro would be two examples of European imperialism at its worst or most malicious-and I don’t care.

Their statues should be preserved, because they are part of our history and our heritage and the legacy of our forebears. Did a lot of awful shit happen especially with the Spanish conquest? Yes. Did the Europeans act with duplicity, cruelty, greed, and so on during the age of colonization? Yes. And even so, these monuments must be protected even the “worst” as the iconoclasts want to destroy western civilization and they use examples like Leopold as a way to get their opponents to cede moral power to them. After all if it’s okay to tear down that statue why not that one, and on and on.

These people love it when we cede the rhetorical and moral ground to them. Doing so means they just push further and further.
 

Terthna

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Here's the thing about cancel culture that I haven't seen mentioned yet: it's a double-edged sword.

If there's convincing and reliable evidence that someone famous is a scumbag then hell yes society should cancel them! Case in point:



No, Mr Cosby, you're not "America's Dad"; you're a rapist, and in prison where you belong.

Then there's the more recent incident where protesters tore down a statue of Christopher Columbus and dumped it in the harbor. The man's behavior was so utterly reprehensible even by the standards of 16th-century Spain that the Crown had him stripped of his titles and arrested for it! Columbus doesn't deserve to have a statue erected in his honor any more than Leopold II or Saddam Hussein.

My only complaint about the event is that they tossed the statue into the drink instead of melting it down to make something useful, like a lavatory.

Everyone's a scumbag; it's just a matter of figuring out why. Everyone's also a saint, and to deny either is to deny the reality of human nature; that we are all equally capable of both good and evil. Cosby's history of sexual abuse is extensive; but he also was one of the few voices in entertainment to speak out against the degradation of family values within the black community for decades. Does that make up for what he did to those women? Of course not; but neither does what he did to them erase what good he did do.

Cosby is both a rapist, as well as "America's Dad"; but before either he is a human being, not a scapegoat for anyone's righteous indignation. He is serving his sentence; let's leave it at that.
 

LTR

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I chatted about my suspicions on Discord but I should've made a post about it a month ago when it first came out, then I'd of looked like a Prophet or maybe just a Master of the Obvious.

But it turns out... not shockingly, that when people alledged comedian Chris D'elia of sexual improprietary with underaged girls, like he originally stated in his denial, he never engaged in sexual relations or anything of the sort with underaged girls.


Of course, unlike the original stories, Chris D'Elia actually releasing the exonerating evidence was only covered by British tabloids like Page Six and Daily Mail and not by 'reputable' newspapers like the LA Times who helped 'break' the story originally.

So don't worry, Chris D'elia is still cancelled. His specials still aren't on Comedy Central, his television show removed from Hulu and Amazon Prime and every coward in Comedy is still eager to denounce him and opine how they didn't do enough. :rolleyes:

Hopefully he isn't placed in permanent limbo for this nonsense like Louis CK has been.

With that said...



:unsure::oops:😬😱
 
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Jaenera Targaryen

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Everyone's a scumbag; it's just a matter of figuring out why. Everyone's also a saint, and to deny either is to deny the reality of human nature; that we are all equally capable of both good and evil. Cosby's history of sexual abuse is extensive; but he also was one of the few voices in entertainment to speak out against the degradation of family values within the black community for decades. Does that make up for what he did to those women? Of course not; but neither does what he did to them erase what good he did do.

Cosby is both a rapist, as well as "America's Dad"; but before either he is a human being, not a scapegoat for anyone's righteous indignation. He is serving his sentence; let's leave it at that.

Yeah, this is a problem I have with the...black and white, view of the world being pushed by all the activists these days. It's like saying one mistake is enough to make every good thing a historical figure has done meaningless. It completely ignores factors like the context of the time, literally judging them by the values of our time which simply did not and would never have applied to their time. I mean...the logical conclusion of such a...oblique, point of view is essentially the same train of logic that supports Hitler was a x, so if you're an x as well, you must be like Hitler.
 

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