Meme Thread for Both Posting and Discussing Memes

[Abhorsen]

Heh, great description of most Libertarians; they are house cats, who exist in the system that keeps them alive, but at the same time have contempt for said system.

If your great indictment of an ideology could be applied to any ideology that isn't "the current state of things", it's not a good argument.

Your "argument" isn't particular to libertarians. I could swap it out for socialists, feudalists, monarchies, literally anyone who wants significant change.

It insists that how things work currently is the only way they can work, ignoring that most of America was built under a much more libertarian society.

 

[ATP]

Muslims got along just fine with jews before they dropped right into the holy land and started a campaign of terror against people who have been there for a thousand years. 100,000 is the number of civilians they murdered in their little war.

True, but....

You mean when the Muslims invaded and killed everyone leading to the holy land and claimed it was there's amd how Muhammad contradicts himself constantly but if you do it you get killed

It is also true.
Islam is religion of war,and they take Palestine thanks to sword.

But,jews taking it thanks to soviets in 1948 was not right,too.Becouse we need Christian Kingdom there,no pagans fighting each other.

 

[LordsFire]

It insists that how things work currently is the only way they can work, ignoring that most of America was built under a much more libertarian society.

America was s built under a much more conservative society, at least going by what is now recognized as conservative ideology.

Libertarianism does overlap with a fair bit of American Conservatism when it comes to philosophy about government size and powers, but where it clashes with conservatism is also very important.

Specifically, around sexual degeneracy. An enormous amount of what has torn down America's institutions and culture is the consequences of the sexual revolution, which is specifically and explicitly a major part of why libertarians aligned themselves with democrats more than republicans for so long, because they found, and for many libertarians still find, common cause with the left on this matter.

You yourself are a partial example of this, with your sexual libertine attitudes.

It wasn't until the Obama administration that libertarians even started tilting away from consistent political alliance with the left, in spite of their authoritarian government-empowering policies, and a fair number of libertarians still prioritize their cultural sexual agenda, over politic liberty agenda.

 

[Abhorsen]

America was s built under a much more conservative society, at least going by what is now recognized as conservative ideology.

Libertarianism does overlap with a fair bit of American Conservatism when it comes to philosophy about government size and powers, but where it clashes with conservatism is also very important.

Fair, a conservative society, but a libertarian legal framework, which is the point I am getting at.

 

[Morphic Tide]

If your great indictment of an ideology could be applied to any ideology that isn't "the current state of things", it's not a good argument.

How many of them have fundamental issues with preventative regulations being enforceable? Because that's a pretty big part of the current system I've still yet to see you give an answer for.

It insists that how things work currently is the only way they can work, ignoring that most of America was built under a much more libertarian society.

No, most of America was built under the base anarchy of the state having yet to catch up with people routinely forming elements of municipal governments according to standards we still use today. The frontiersmen would not take kindly to your convoluted contract law substitute for a normal township government.

 

[Abhorsen]

How many of them have fundamental issues with preventative regulations being enforceable? Because that's a pretty big part of the current system I've still yet to see you give an answer for.

That's literally the point of my objection: anyone wanting any change is hit by Bacle's 'attack'.

Now you are advancing an actual argument: that preventative regulations make the current system work. I'd point out that they weren't needed in much of the west when it was being built. People just did things without asking for prior approval on their own property, and what happened happened. And so the west was won.

No, most of America was built under the base anarchy of the state having yet to catch up with people routinely forming elements of municipal governments according to standards we still use today. The frontiersmen would not take kindly to your convoluted contract law substitute for a normal township government.

Yes, base anarchy made up of people deciding what they wanted to do without outside approval, living in communities according to their own rules. That's libertarianism. It's called covenant communities. And it worked very well, up until the exterior government caught up and started regulating things that had anarchically been solved in the local community. Then issues were caused. See for example, every railroad baron seizing land in a western.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

if as Monk said, even freaking Jimmy Carter was willing to depose him for someone more pliant

to be fair, I don't have evidence that says Jimmy Carter wanted to do this so much as the CIA/other agencies were pushing to have it happen.

 

[Happy Pancake]

 

[Scottty]

 

[Scottty]

 

[LordsFire]

Billl Watterson was a very insightful man. It's one of the key reasons Calvin and Hobbes was so amazing.

 

[PsihoKekec]

 

[Marduk]

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Please don't think they don't see western countries as easy marks.

 

[Cherico]

Please don't think they don't see western countries as easy marks.

That ones on us for being easy marks.

 

[DarthOne]

That ones on us for being easy marks.

Exactly.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Point is, there's no dissonance. They don't feel entitled to your money despite being your enemies, they feel entitled to your money BECAUSE they're your enemies.

That ones on us for being easy marks.

There's no "us" here. I don't think any of us support foreign aid.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Circle of Willis]

 

[Bassoe]