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TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Wouldn't they used it a the ship's bitch?
I think history will look upon Pinochet with a lot kinder eyes once the age of modernity ends.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Assuming he's remembered at all, due to the possibility of future despots who massively overshadow both him and other bogeys the Modern Left constantly vilifies today.
Think of how Robespierre and the Jacobins are kinda' "glossed over" compared to Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and a host of other communist dictators today, and that's basically the point I'm making.
By historical standards, Pinchet was incredibly gentle.
The leftwing leader at the time had his own private thugs, he was violating the consitution and he had clear plans to create a new horrible technocratic version of socialism that most likely would have impoverished the nation and killed a fuck load of people.
If we could see that other world we would have likely seen a much poorer chile with a lot less people due to all of the mass murder and starvation. Pinochet prevented all of that, and he worked to improve the economy and when the moment came he stepped down peacefully and with out bloodshed.
When you take the big picture well after modernity has turned into a fucking horror show people will reavaluate a whole lot of things and Pinochete will likely be thought of in much warmer terms. Expecially since the people who slander him the most will be dead and remembered rightfully as the monsters they are.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
That's not what I'm contesting.
However, while I'm aware Allende wasn't the angelic socialist modern historians make him out to be, that didn't make Pinochet a decent person, either. He may have been the best option they had at the time, but really, just because a street thug stops a mass-murderer doesn't make the street thug good; merely the least terrible of your choices, and one that you should do better to avoid in future.
Again, you're missing my point.
My point is, despots who might've been a big deal in their time can — and all too often, are — ultimately overshadowed by future despots who make them look like rank amateurs down the line. Hence, my comparison of Robespierre to Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and communist movements in general — all of whom are household names today who wrecked way more havoc, whereas Max and the Jacobins aren't.
Likewise, I see Pinochet being cast as something of a "forgotten predecessor" who, compared to the outright demonic arch-reactionaries of the late twenty-first century, is practically unknown and insignificant to the general population in 2323. In short, I agree he was more soft-touch than most in terms of brutality, but where I differ is that I doubt he'll be remembered all that well, in light of future monsters who make even Hitler look tame relegating him to the background instead of making him a well-remembered point of comparison.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Pinochet is overrated anyway, he had no part in the coup, which was planned and carried out by lower ranking officers, he was offered and accepted figurehead position when fighting was already going on, to give a facade of unity within armed forces.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
By that logic, aren’t fathers and men in general making a mistake by working seventy-hour weeks and spending their Holidays on the job, too?
I get we like to rag on feminism a whole lot here, but I can imagine this sort of routine is pretty soul-destroying for men, as well. Because even if they’re more “naturally inclined” to be regular breadwinners, they’re still missing out on their kids, wives, and loved ones by slaving away at work — which again, probably isn’t healthy for them, either. If anything, I’d say it’s less than women needn’t sacrifice everything at the altar of their careers… and more that no one should — men and women both.
Simonbob
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While that's true, a guy can more easily do it with less issues.
Some of that's simple things like how long it takes a guy to father a kid, Vs a woman's time commitment, but some is that guys are simply better built for it, over all.
So, a guy should work, 40 hours a week or so, and a woman shouldn't work, unless you're counting for her family.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Or… maybe individual men and women should decide whether they work and how long they do it, while the “Get back in the kitchen!” and “Holy feminism, Batman!” partisans who claim to speak for all men or all women both shut up and go away.
Yes, I know in the aggregate, men and women tend to be “wired differently” — something that no amount of activism or obfuscation of biological reality can change. But really, I think that if we left individuals with their unique own preferences, skill sets, and schedules to make their own choices naturally, the “right balance” would eventually be found without idiots on other side bashing each others’ skulls in over it. It’s wrong to shame the devoted mom who also happens to run a business or a stay-at-home dad who’s really good with the kids, is what I’m saying — and we’d probably be better off if we stopped doing that, despite our ingrained impulses to.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Ben Shapiro is not happy.
"It looks like it was produced by an AI with a real ugly sense of humor".