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Robovski

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I was going to go see this next weekend but screens showing this movie are increasingly rare (was at the drive-in at 11:30pm and generally on one screen at the multiplexes). Might get out on Wednnesday to the one screen at my local still showing but if I don't I might not see it in theaters at all and wait until it's included with Disney+
 


Sometimes I wish human had as short of a lifespan as "culture" does 10 years seems to some up our attention span pretty well. before we suddenly get bored and seem to naturally mind wipe ourselves and demand something NEW!tm
 

Husky_Khan

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There's only one way to end the Marvel Cinematic Universe on a high note instead of giving it the slow, ignominious death Phase Four is giving it.

And this What If? series can make it happen if they can bring it to the big screen.

And what is the best way to end the MCU on this high note that respects the fanbase and gives them the send off and conclusion that will leave them satisfied you ask?

WHAT IF..?

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Husky_Khan

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Shang Chi "star" Simu Liu, who yes... you never heard of until now, was quite angry with how Disney CEO Bob Chapek apparently marginalized the production and release of Shang Chi as being merely an experiment in regards to its large Asian and Asian-American cast and AAPI centric or focused story.



What a KING!

Of course, Disney CEO Bob Chapek wasn't referring to Shang Chi as an experiment due to the ethnicity of its cast and subject matter, but actually regarding how successful the pandemic release of films such as Shang Chi AND Free Guy etc would be via a 45 day exclusive theatrical release after a summer of disappointing blockbusters.


Also Shang Chi as of yet still hasn't been approved for release in Chinese theaters and even more concerning for Disney, Chloe Zhao's The Eternals will NOT be released in China.

 

ParadiseLost

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This isn't a surprise.

China fundamentally does NOT want its citizens funneling Chinese capital to the American entertainment industry, and I think that's something Hollywood execs simply do not understand.

Piracy of American shows is also so freely done in China that people who want to watch it can trivially watch it for free anyway.
 

Husky_Khan

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Scarlett Johansson is apparently filing a lawsuit against Disney over the release of Black Widow on Disney+.

Specifically the lawsuit seems to contend:

and


For the first time in Recorded History... a Hollywood Studio might actually be admitting a movie of theirs actually made money... That Hollywood Accounting is a miracle of mathematics!

Hollywood Reporter said:
For example, Disney says that Black Widow was put on more than 9,000 screens in the U.S., allegedly satisfying its obligation the film screen on no less than 1,500 (again, Johansson asserts it had to be exclusive), and according to the latest filing, as of Aug. 15, Black Widow has grossed more than $367 million in worldwide box-office receipts and more than $125 million in streaming and download retail receipts.

Disney compares the Black Widow release to other films in the Marvel canon, saying that the opening weekend take was “more than that of many other Marvel Cinematic Universe films, including Thor: The Dark World; Ant-Man; Ant-Man and the Wasp; and Guardians of the Galaxy.”

“Notwithstanding the Picture’s impressive pandemic-era showing and the decision to credit Periwinkle with streaming and download receipts, Periwinkle was dissatisfied,” the motion continues.

Disney is pushing for some sort of confidential arbitration.

ScarJo's legal team has responded.

Hollywood Reporter said:
John Berlinski, attorney for Johansson, comments on Disney’s move: “After initially responding to this litigation with a misogynistic attack against Scarlett Johansson, Disney is now, predictably, trying to hide its misconduct in a confidential arbitration. Why is Disney so afraid of litigating this case in public? Because it knows that Marvel’s promises to give Black Widow a typical theatrical release ‘like its other films’ had everything to do with guaranteeing that Disney wouldn’t cannibalize box office receipts in order to boost Disney+ subscriptions. Yet that is exactly what happened – and we look forward to presenting the overwhelming evidence that proves it.”

 

Husky_Khan

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Spider-man: No Way Home trailer dropped... MCU PETER PARKER INTO THE MULTIVERSE!!!



As expected the internet has already dissected the trailer and we have many confirmed and many suspected characters seeping in from previous Spider-man franchises as the rumors have been suggesting... and even those not rumored as much from before... like supposedly Netflix's Daredevil/Matt Murdock showing up.
 

Zachowon

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MCU deciding to just say fuck it, throw everything idea wise out there. If they hate it, we try again with something else
 

Husky_Khan

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They really liked the multiverse idea, didn't they?

Plus the nostalgia factor. It's going to be the Marvel version of Rogue One which a lot of consoomers like me liked, and yet a notable minority disliked.

I mean I just dug up my ol' DVD's (and bluray of Spider-man 3) and watched through them recently. Great movies and Spider-Man 2 is probably one of the best superhero movies ever still. But I watched them again kinda just because of this trailer... So yeah I'm probably going to see it unless it turns out to be a total turd sandwich, which seems unlikely from the MCU even now.

Still I can't help I'll turn out like these guys...



DOCTOR OCTOPUS! DOC OCK! PUMPKIN BOMBS! DID YOU HEAR THE LIZARD ROAR? I SEE SAND! ELECTRO! DO YOU REMEMBER ELECTRO!?!?!?! TOBEY MAGUIRE! IM GONNA CUM!!!1

And so forth...
 

Zachowon

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Shang-Chi and the legend of the ten rings.
I recommend it. Better then Black Widow.
Has some minor preaching tones in it, but all small in regards as the movie is pretty good.

Fight scenes are great, and it reminds me of Chinese Kung Fu movies, but with better CGI, and not overly sucking off the Chinese titty.
 

Husky_Khan

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Russo Brothers and other talent might be reluctant in creating new Disney content due to Disney's insistence on focusing on streaming more then theatrical releases, thus cutting into contracted royalties monies that said talent would get from traditional MCU releases.

 

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I saw Shang Chi and the Ten Rings last Sunday as well and I liked it a fair amount. I waited a couple days to make sure it wasn't just initial impressions as I usually watch movies and tend to think they are better then they are after a few days, but after awhile my opinion hasn't really changed.

This movie was better then Black Widow. In fact I think it's actually an above average film even for the MCU since I tend to think most MCU movies, even if formulaic, tend to be above average.

In brief, I liked most of the characters and the protagonists seemed relatable and likable. The main character, Shawn Chi, had an everyman quality to him and seeing him acting as both a secret Master of Kung Fu and just some guy who seemed to be in the audiences role of taking in the adventure he's been plunged in was pretty neat. Also I liked his (and his sisters) interactions with each other and with their parents and the troubled relationships with them. There are a lot of family themes in here, and it does touch on Asian-American stereotypes of parental expectations and duty and parenting and relation to your culture itself so it touches me on that level as well being both parent and child in those kind of wacky families even though Jungle Asians like Filipinos are superior to Fancy style Chinese-Asians.

I digress.

Surprisingly, Awkafina was not annoying. I went into the movie expecting her to be annoying but she was not. She was a good addition to the film and actually legitimately likable. There was some eye rolling moments in the Macau fight scene where she seemed a bit too competent but that's typical for civilians in distressing situations in movies. But I can't recall a single annoying moment with her. She was fun and the low key friend-romantic interest relationship they seemed to have was novel as they never actually seemed to have a romantic scene together but plenty of scenes of them building rapport with each other and everything. It touches on the idea of long term relationships that have a failure to commit on them.

The humor seems more lowkey and less awkward and that helps as well.

The truth is the best character and one of the better aspects of the film is the main villain. Our 'Mandarin' or Wenwu is the Father of Shang Chi and he really overcomes one of the flaws of many MCU movies. He has depth. A big part of the story is his relationship with his Wife who dies tragically before the movie and with his estranged children who ditched him as well as the fact that he's a millenia old Warlord and leader of the Ten Rings. The movie explores all of this and Tony Leung puts in a great performance for a character that didn't really seem like it could of had much going for it, especially in a movie this packed with stuff.

Another surprising part of this film that I didn't even realize until recently was that there was a lot in this film, genre shifts and setting locations and characters but it never felt bloated. It starts out as a normal family drama in San Francisco, then we get a great martial arts scenes in the Bay Area. Then the movie adds onto it a Buddy Road Trip storyline and as they travel, there's tones of it being a thriller and a superhero film... AND THEN... somehow, it ends as a fucking magical fantasy.

SOMEHOW this all works. I was never taken out of it or going "This is ridiculous" like I did with Black Widow's final act or a lot of bloated DCEU movies and their overly climatic finishes.

There's a lot of good fight choreography as well and Simu Liu looks great with his shirt off.

Would recommend watching even if Simu Liu is kind of a whiny dork IRL. Good themes, interesting plot (don't get me wrong, there are plot holes but that's the same as every superhero movie) great characters, good fight choreography and I really liked all of the genre shifts and everything. Humor was reeled back a bit and Awkafina's character was amazingly not annoying. And yes, it did feel like a MCU 'Superhero' movie so the worries of it seeming too lowkey didn't really pan out thankfully.
 
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Husky_Khan

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San Francisco wasn't filled with homeless people being run over by the runaway bus and no White Supremicist Hate Crimes perpetrated upon the main character or Katy by Black males forcing Shang Chi to reveal his powers. Lost all suspension of disbelief from then on out.

0/10

Also didn't pander to ChiComs and no one was wearing masks (in response to the WuFlu).

15/10

Averages out to 7.5/10 (y)
 

Husky_Khan

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Great news ScarJo! Your next MCU movie will release exclusively in theaters. No reason to let something like in universe death prevent you from appearing again... :sneaky:

 

Husky_Khan

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New Hawkeye trailer dropped for the upcoming television series.



I uhhh... had no idea it was going to have this tone. I'm actually interested in watching this unlike... every other Marvel TV series up to this point.
 

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