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ShadowArxxy

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Captain America: The First Avenger Dialogue:

Abraham Erskine: The serum amplifies everything that is inside, so good becomes great; bad becomes worse. This is why you were chosen. Because the strong man who has known power all his life, may lose respect for that power, but a weak man knows the value of strength, and knows... compassion.
Steve Rogers: Thanks. I think.
Abraham Erskine: Get it, get it. Whatever happens tomorrow, you must promise me one thing. That you will stay who you are, not a perfect soldier, but a good man.
Shadowarrxy Outta Nowhere: He has an enormous character flaw that will be MAGNIFIED as Captain America. He's committing fraud?! He's potentially Killing all of his friends?!??! Therefore anyone who disagrees with him is wrong and will be firmly ignored! (I would say worse but a month ago I had this discussion before and need to moderate my language)

Cute.

Erskine quite explicitly says that the serum amplifies all of the user's traits, for good and for bad, and reminds Steve that he has to actively keep himself in check, to stay good.

And let me make this clear: I agree that Steve mostly succeeds in doing that. He's not a villain at any point. Pre-serum Steve starts out as a brave, good-hearted young man who does have some very visible flaws, and post-Serum Captain America is a brave, good-hearted hero who visibly has the same flaws, but is mostly in control of them.


How exactly does a sickly 75-pound weakling trying to cheat his way into infantry service not constitute a pretty damn clear case of fraud? It's even explicitly on screen; Steve gets caught by the recruiter and is politely but firmly turned away as unfit for service, and despite being unable to improve his unfit health, continued to try to enlist over and over again. Again, the point is not that this made Steve a bad person. It does make him ridiculously stubborn (for good and for bad), and it does show that he completely ignores all reason and logic when he has his mind set on doing something he deems "heroic".

That stubbornness is something we continue to see in Captain America. It's at the heart of a lot of his genuine heroism, but it's also a tragic flaw in the Greek sense, because it means he's too stubborn to admit when he's actually wrong or overlooking something actually important.
 

Skallagrim

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Marvels Secret Invasion trailer was released two weeks ago.


A trailer released two weeks ago, and I hadn't heard a peep.

Do other people also have the experience of just... checking out, when it comes to MCu stuff? I'm not the base-line, to be sure: I already throught the Infinity War stuff was too much of a CGI-fest, and I think the MCU peaked with Winter Soldier. But seriously... after the "Infinity saga" was concluded, that was just sort of it, I feel.

They're trying to keep pumping out new stuff that gets similar acclaim, but it all feels like a deflating balloon to me.
 

Robovski

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If it wasn't for my wife still wanting to watch some of the MCU I would have cashed out with the Pandemic. I'd watch another Spiderverse movie on my own initiative but that's hardly MCU; maybe I can be interested in the Fantastic Four to see how they fuck it up this time.
 

Husky_Khan

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A trailer released two weeks ago, and I hadn't heard a peep.

Yeah same. I hadn't heard a bit about this trailer releasing either. Just found it. It's a pretty good trailer, not that it's saying much but it looks a lot different then I thought a Secret Invasion treatment was going to be. It has more of that Winter Soldier feel which hasn't been replicated at all yet in the MCU except for bits of Civil War before it transitioned into more Superheroics which was fine and good and bits of Black Widow before it got all weird.

I'm going to watch it since I have kids and we got a subscription unless it turns out to be a stinker. Have higher expectations for this then most of their Disney Plus shows. We'll see if it's underwhelming like many of them have been.
 

Husky_Khan

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Werewolf By Night trailer released. It's going to start streaming in less then a week apparently, on October 7th.... JUST IN TIME FOR HALLOWEEN.



The trailer is unique I guess, to Marvel anyways. I kinda thought it was tryhard though in trying to get a Pulp Horror atmosphere IMHO and mostly failed in that respect, and that of being a trailer to provoke my interest. With that said... this is apparently a 'short' as in the whole thing is only 53 minutes long.

The critical reviews state that the show made good use of black and white cinematography and practical effects instead of CGI and that its "over the top entertaining short." Guess we'll wait and see.
 

Husky_Khan

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Rumor mill says Disney is or was trying to court Harrison Ford to portray Secretary Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross in a future Thunderbolts project for Marvel because they want the General character to portray Red Hulk.

William Hurt, who portrayed him over a decade, passed away recently of course.


If the rumors are even remotely true... It sounds like a big waste. I don't think anyone would watch or not watch a series based on CGI Harrison Ford Hulk running around.

Plus isnt like... Sam Elliot still alive and sporting an epic moustache like he had in 2003 Hulk? Or Tom Selleck?

Not to mention Red Hulk ain't even the original Thunderbolts leader or mentor...

Ah well. 🤷‍♀️
 

Husky_Khan

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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever trailer was released. Film is set to release on November 11th.



Oh also a teaser trailer apparently came out two months ago. I missed it but here is that.

 

Husky_Khan

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Well She-Hulk Season One is finally over. The Cox that everyone had been waiting for arrived in the prior episode and it was... fine. But this finale... I was almost intrigued when it threw in a rather decent plot twist in my humble opinion.

Then the ending double and triple subverted my expectations... then the show literally went full meta.

I'll admit I chuckled a bit at some of the jokes. But overall it completely killed the momentum of the show and what actually had the potential in being a somewhat interesting finale. Like going 'Meta' with the Fourth Wall breaks might've worked but as soon as this show started to do it, I was already thinking it was cringe. And nothing from its meta climax saved the show from this final spiral downward in quality.

I actually liked Jennifer Walters/She-Hulk as a character. She's actually fun and interesting to me with her idiosynacracies and whatever but the shows writing and overall narrative stank and in the end, instead of potentially delivering on an interesting climax for an ending, the shitty writers decided to go for a meta joke with lots of corny humor and easter eggs and fandom jokes and it failed and couldn't cover up the shit climax free truncated ending that we basically got.

They tried to be clever but instead were cringe.

Comparable to Loki's ending I guess. But Loki was worse because it was higher budget and trying to do something serious and greater and failed. :p
 

Robovski

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I think Jen is not a good lawyer or a great person as portrayed on the show. Makes it hard for me to get "behind" her as a protagonist. A lot of the jokes have been unfunny or cringe in the most modern fashion, if it wasn't for my wife wanting to watch this show I would have accepted the not for me and noped out a while ago.
 

Husky_Khan

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Plus She Hulk introduced so many shittier versions of already mook level supervillains that I was genuinely impressed the show could make even more lame versions of Leapfrog, ManBull, the Matador and friggin Porcupine of all people.

The sad thing is... I've read comic books featuring all of those characters in pretty decent storylines... and they were all tossed around as sad jokes (moreso then their comics canon). But at least they were diversely cast I guess.

And of course the Wrecking Crew and Titania... Oof! Good grief.

Marvel should reintroduce Jon Bernthal's Punisher into the MCU in a 'Scourge of the Underworld' type of storyline so he can mass murder all of these lame super criminals and purge the casting lists.

Speaking of extraneous casting...

Rumor mill says Disney is or was trying to court Harrison Ford to portray Secretary Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross in a future Thunderbolts project for Marvel because they want the General character to portray Red Hulk.

William Hurt, who portrayed him over a decade, passed away recently of course.


If the rumors are even remotely true... It sounds like a big waste. I don't think anyone would watch or not watch a series based on CGI Harrison Ford Hulk running around.

Plus isnt like... Sam Elliot still alive and sporting an epic moustache like he had in 2003 Hulk? Or Tom Selleck?

Not to mention Red Hulk ain't even the original Thunderbolts leader or mentor...

Ah well. 🤷‍♀️

Rumors came true apparently.



Poor Harrison Ford. Why would he do this to himself? Just look at the comments and all of the people who are strangely enthusiastic about him being cast as a minor character in Captain America 4 of all things. Especially since they're just going to CGI Red Hulk him sooner or later apparently. And Sam Elliot is still alive as well... smh. :p
 

Husky_Khan

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Phase Four Disruptions.

The new Blade movie has been moved back from November of 2023 to September of 2024 and will also have a change of Director. Thus the Deadpool sequel that is planned on introducing Deadpool and the X-men shit into the MCU verse will be pushed back two months... thusly meaning the Fantastic Four movie is shoved back to the next year... AND THEN the next Avengers film will be shoved back to 2026!!!

I'm not exactly sure which phase all of this stuff falls in but supposedly Avengers: Secret Wars and Avengers: Kang Dynasty will be part of Phase Six apparently... which means they'll be cramming uhhh... almost three phases in like four years I guess?

Deadline said:
Blade, the vampire pic starring Mahershala Ali is currently in search of a new director, following Bassim Tariq’s departure. It is now set to open September 6, 2024, having previously been slated for November 3, 2023.

Among the changes, the as-yet-untitled Deadpool threequel has moved from September 6, 2024 to November 8, 2024, with Fantastic Four bumped from that latter date to February 14, 2025. Previously set for November 7, 2025, Avengers: Secret Wars, the first of back-to-back movies in the Avengers series, will now debut on May 5, 2026.


Oh and in case you missed it, here's a trademark Ryan Reynolds announcement regarding Deadpool.

 

Husky_Khan

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Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania trailer has dropped.



I like the Ant-Man movies in general. The stories feel smaller scale, and it really helps develop the characters a lot more, including the minor supporting ones. They are somewhat connected to the rest of the MCU but the tie-ins aren't really that strong which I actually appreciate. They aren't movies I really think on later... but the few times I've watched them I actually remember a lot which I think really shows its quality despite the underwhelming scale.

But this trailer looks like a damn CGI fest. Thor: Love and Thunder was a CGI fest and I did not like it. I shared the trailer with one of my friends and they called it "visual noise" which I hadn't heard of before but understood almost immediately. This looks like a film that'll be taking place in front of a greenscreen 99% of the time. CGI fests aren't necessarily bad, but it does tend to shade against the films quality. Especially if there's any giant climaxes, like the final battle in Aquaman for example.

I hope this film has the potential for some great world building. I like the main characters already but I doubt the rest of the X-Con crew will be showing up much here sadly. Also kinda annoyed they recast the daughter Cassie from the actress who portrayed her in Avengers: Endgame. Kathryn Newton is a fine actress but I prefer consistency, even if it is with a less well known actress. Minor gripe but a gripe nonetheless.

Still overall, watching the trailer made me less interested in the film.
 

f1onagher

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I like Scott and Cassie Lang, but that's all I like and there's nothing else here to draw me in. So how long until the computer graphics guys in Marvel form a union? They're getting visibly abused by the bigwigs and insulted to boot.
 

Husky_Khan

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Oh boy. A Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special.



Starring Kevin Bacon. Isn't it nice getting new Marvel content literally every week? 😒

I guess this is like another TV Special like Werewolf by Night was.
 

Husky_Khan

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Marvel Studios reveals the secret to their Phase 4 Success as producer Nate Moore shares...

Bounding Into Comics said:
Noting that some Marvel writers grew up reading and collecting comics, such as Avengers: Endgame co-director Joe Russo and Black Panther director Ryan Coogler, Moore told Belloni, “one thing I think is interesting, and specifically for writers I would say, is that a lot of times we’re pitched writers who love Marvel, and to me that’s always a red flag.”

“I don’t want you to already have a pre-existing idea of what it is, because you grew up with the comics and that’s what you want to recreate,” he explained. “I want someone who’s going to be hard on the material, who can go ‘What is this? I think there’s a movie here. but maybe we should be looking at it in this way'”

“I think that’s important to be able to go ‘Look, the source material is great, and I love it and comics work great in the medium they were built in, but that’s not a direct, one-to-one translation to the best version of the movie,” he asserted. “And sometimes it takes someone who’s out of the culture to go ‘Hey, I know you think it should be this, but maybe it should be this other thing!'”

Turning to provide further support for his argument, Moore then put forth Thor: Ragnarok and Thor: Love and Thunder director as “a great example of that too, [because he was like] ‘Hey I know Thor traditionally is a bit stiff, a bit Shakespearean but what if you tweaked it? What if you tweaked the tone completely?'”

MF'er cited Thor: Love & Thunder as a positive.

 

Husky_Khan

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Another Ant-Man trailer dropped. This one seems to tell a great deal of the plot so... that's nice I guess if your not interested in watching the movie.



Please refrain from making any "We wuz Kangz" jokes.
 

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