Israel Mahmoud Abbas says the darndest things, or another day in the Israel-Palestine conflict

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Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas threatened this week that "million of fighters" would swarm Jerusalem and topple the Jewish state's capital city, warning that "no matter how many houses and how many settlements they declare that they [plan to build] here and there—they shall all be destroyed."
Pivoting to the payments for convicted terrorists, a policy known as pay to slay, Abbas said the payments will never cease, despite increasing international pressure from the West.


"We will not accept their designation of our martyrs as terrorists," Abbas said. "Our martyrs are the martyrs of the homeland. We will not allow them to deduct a single penny from their money. All the money will go back to them, because the martyrs, the wounded, and the prisoners are the most sacred things we have."
The practice referred to here has been brought up in USA and international discussion over aid to PA.

That's quite an attitude for the "moderate" side of Palestinian leadership...
Unfortunately this kind of "anti-diplomacy" is not so unusual for half of it though.
This does not seem to bode well for the future of Trump's plan for Palestine, and unsurprisingly so - after all, it includes making Fatah at very least less powerful and less independent in goverining the autonomy, so no wonder Abbas would do what he can to sabotage it, as it's unlikely Jordan would be eager to take part if the deal includes necessity of getting rid of Fatah by force.
 

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I think it is pretty well known I'm a strong supporter of Israel, and do not believe for one second that there is an active partner of authority in the peace process on the Palestinian side.

I also believe that the longer it takes for the Palestinians to get their shit together and come to the table in good faith, the less likely they'll get even a fraction of what they want. I'd argue anything built on the Israeli side of their border wall will now be a permanent part of Israel, including all of Jerusalem. I personally don't have an issue with this because I have far more faith in Israel protecting non-Jewish holy sites compared to the Palestinians protecting non-Muslim holy sites. There's only so many times the Palestinian leadership can reject legitimate peace agreements before the Israelis stop giving a damn.
 

Terthna

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I think it is pretty well known I'm a strong supporter of Israel, and do not believe for one second that there is an active partner of authority in the peace process on the Palestinian side.

I also believe that the longer it takes for the Palestinians to get their shit together and come to the table in good faith, the less likely they'll get even a fraction of what they want. I'd argue anything built on the Israeli side of their border wall will now be a permanent part of Israel, including all of Jerusalem. I personally don't have an issue with this because I have far more faith in Israel protecting non-Jewish holy sites compared to the Palestinians protecting non-Muslim holy sites. There's only so many times the Palestinian leadership can reject legitimate peace agreements before the Israelis stop giving a damn.
One wonders what they'd do if they did get everything they want, and Israeli suddenly ceased to exist; seeing as how "Palestinian" culture revolves entirely around hatred of the Jewish state. I don't think a nation built by such people would be able to avoid destroying itself. Then again, I guess some people just want to watch the world burn.
 

CarlManvers2019

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The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has created a fascinating mess where the Palestinians are incentivized to conduct as many terrorist attacks as possible and maximize the civilian casualties on their own side to play the victim for a sympathetic media.

Well you have to admit, a tactic like that would make Israel look 100% asshole and even if you could explain why Israel’s in-the-right or was being provoked into something, you could be shamed into submission and silence
 

CarlManvers2019

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This is too common an occurrence to be newsworthy. The Palestinians threaten genocide almost daily.

Not sure about that, even then, like the defenders of SJW’s on those four forums would like to say

Israel is just as bad/Israel is even worse/Palestinian Threats of Genocide don’t exist, they’re just an Israeli and Pro-Zionist Boogeyman, anyone who says that unironically gets banned

I’m kinda paraphrasing here
 

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Not sure about that, even then, like the defenders of SJW’s on those four forums would like to say

Israel is just as bad/Israel is even worse/Palestinian Threats of Genocide don’t exist, they’re just an Israeli and Pro-Zionist Boogeyman, anyone who says that unironically gets banned

I’m kinda paraphrasing here
*Shrug*

Isn't that the reason we're here? To be able to state facts without the commissars swooping in to censor us for straying from the party line?
 

CarlManvers2019

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*Shrug*

Isn't that the reason we're here? To be able to state facts without the commissars swooping in to censor us for straying from the party line?

Yeah, logged into SB but didn’t post or watch or like anything, sometime ago

They call this place Alt-Right and that we’re running from mythical SJWs
 

CarlManvers2019

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Well they aren't entirely wrong.

Wait a minute, I was fooled by your pic and that title.....oh my god, please don't tell me you're actually one of them! How can you be an actual one! Goddamnit! Even one of you existing makes anybody complaining about this stuff

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LOOOK LIKE PURE EVIL!!! I'M NOT EVEN WHITE OR AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN!!! I JUST LIKE TITS AND ASS AND BELIEVE STRONG FICTIONAL WOMEN ARE BETTER WITH THEM ON RATHER THAN LOOKING LIKE ANDROGYNOUS-TO-MASCULINE TYPES THAT TELL ME HOW I SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR LIKING SUCH UNREALISTIC FANTASY!!! AND I ALSO DIDN'T LIKE THE LAST JEDI!!!

LOL

That said in-regards to Israel, I doubt these problems will end even in the next decade or in our lifetimes
 
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CarlManvers2019

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@CarlManvers2019 Dude, tone it down a bit. Don't you think you're a bit rambling there?

That was me being crazy for a moment, partially because I get sick of all the "Just as bad/Worse" accusations I see, that said, in-regards to Israel and Palestine, just how much land is contested between them? And how much is populated by either side? I don't follow much news admittedly
 

GoldRanger

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That was me being crazy for a moment, partially because I get sick of all the "Just as bad/Worse" accusations I see, that said, in-regards to Israel and Palestine, just how much land is contested between them? And how much is populated by either side? I don't follow much news admittedly
I meant the Captain Marvel stuff. If you have an issue with her portrayal in modern comics, you can post a separate thread about it.

As far as the exact situation between Israel and Palestine, it's beyond the scope of this thread.

Suffice to say that people who claim there is any moral equivalence between the two sides, or even than morality is on the side of Palestine, is hilariously wrong.
 

CarlManvers2019

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I meant the Captain Marvel stuff. If you have an issue with her portrayal in modern comics, you can post a separate thread about it.

As far as the exact situation between Israel and Palestine, it's beyond the scope of this thread.

Suffice to say that people who claim there is any moral equivalence between the two sides, or even than morality is on the side of Palestine, is hilariously wrong.

That was one of the stuff off the top of my head to do with equating guys with complaints like mine with the Alt-Right, seriously aside from CM, I met dudes on SB who believe the whole TLJ's only hated by Alt-Right sort of dudes. Okay, that's for another thread that I don't feel like talking about.

Moral Equivalence, ironically, I think is how people try going that a conflict is "realistic". Like how supposedly "There are no good guys or bad guys" sort of thinking, which kinda leads to an attempt at even trying to say one side is more asshole-ish than its actions would show or the other is more sympathetic or justified.
 

CarlManvers2019

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The sad thing is, most of them are not even doing it intentionally; they just don't recognize their own biases.

It’s useless talking and debating in an attempt to convince them. That’s why this place was made, because to quote or paraphrase Gamma from Aristillus “Voice does not work when drowned out by others”
 

PsihoKekec

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It's interesting how Western diplomacy has built itself a veritable mind filter, so they can just disregard everything inconvenient Palestinian officials say and still live the fiction of peace process.
 

40thousandninjas

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The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has created a fascinating mess where the Palestinians are incentivized to conduct as many terrorist attacks as possible and maximize the civilian casualties on their own side to play the victim for a sympathetic media.

In parts of the world where the majority of the population is uneducated and thus not value producing, their lives tend to be viewed as expendable by those in charge.
 

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