And all of that doesn't matter. Progressives and other bona-fide communists (and most socialists, in fact) do not hate the government, in fact it is the only thing they adore (and want to see increased). But they hate the tradition, the culture, the nation; they hate differences - not only personal, but also national, ethnic, cultural and so on. They want a big-ass Borg collective covering the entire planet. Prosperity and governmental non-interference will not dissuade them, though reduced government might slow them down. Maybe.
The point of this isn't to slow them down: it's to rob them of broad power and prevent their advance.
First, a libertarian society is one where the regressive policies the left wants to enact are unconstitutional (or the equivalent). This has stopped a number of their attempts in America down, but the constitution doesn't restrain enough.
Second, they way progressives get real political power is by pointing out actual injustices, using them to cause protests, and then not fixing the problem but push their agenda, allowing it all to happen again. Police violence is a problem, but every time it happens, leftists grab it, try to use it to push for stuff like a minimum wage, more powerful teacher unions, socialized medicine, etc and then a few years later there's more police violence, rinse and repeat.
Lowering the amount of
actual injustice is a great way to cut progressives off at the knees.
People who claim to be libertarians and who quote basic libertarian economic and social talking points affect any implementation of a libertarian government even if they don't meet your definition of being true libertarians.
Just because someone is a capitalist, doesn't make them a libertarian though. Same with someone who believes in social liberty but not capitalism. It requires someone who believes in both because they want to increase freedom.
Now admittedly, in some arguments libertarians will cite that libertarianism leads to a good economy, because capitalism does, and that's a great selling point. But this is incidental to freedom being good all on its own.
I never said you're mythical view of a libertarian government would fall to communism. I said it was as bad as communism because it shares communisms trait of being mythical.
Sorry, I got your posts confused with this post:
Problem is that collective almost always wins against an individual, which means that libertarianism essentially helps remove resistance to communism.
You're acting as though multiple competing power structures rapidly expanding to fill a massive power vacuum is a good thing.
And your assumption that they have to pander to the populace is naive at best. They can just as easily force or manipulate the populace.
The assumption is not niave, it's basic economics. In a libertarian society, corporations cannot force people to do stuff (and government can only force people to stop harming one another). As for manipulate, they can do this to an extent, but a lower price/better product is a good way to 'manipulate' people to get your stuff.
Except, you know, the fact that someone like you could've been lynched without recourse, women had no rights, bribery for government positions was rampant, bribery in general was rampant, education was much less necessary in general, the modern industrial complex necessary to sustain a modern level of living was also unnecessary, and there was a much more homogenous culture relative to today.
Just because a quote unquote "Libertarian" government created a quote unquote "decent place to live" 200 years ago does not in the very slightest mean that you can translate that system to a completely different modern day government, anymore than you could transfer the Modern Singaporean government to the UAE and have it work or transfer the UAE's government to Switzerland and have it work, or transfer Switzerlands to Singapore and have it work, et cetera.
Was it perfect? No. But the average citizen (which was very limited, yes), could basically interact with the world with little influence from the federal government.
There are other, more or less libertarianish societies, to greater or lesser extent, and they get along fine. Cities with less regulation get people moving to them, away from cities with high regulation, etc. America itself is a pretty free place, and it gets along okay.
The internet in general is not a very good place to try to convince people. Forums even less so.
On the other hand, it allows you to talk to people you normally wouldn't, which helps.
