And it's patently absurd that this is your go-to comparison.
why? I listed a whole lot of things ranging from really bad to not so bad.
Mentioning that it has always been around is a rebuke of the "it's unnatural" argument, which is itself the basis used for discrimination against them.
except I didn’t say “it’s unnatural” and I clearly pointed out how your rebuke is shit. Why don’t you try to defend it.
What part of liberty and equality are you against, exactly?
mostly that you don’t really get liberty or equality as it meant, and that both of these meant different things to different enlightenment philosophers. What part do you think the founding fathers didn’t get? And certainly, what the people were meant to be like
They also thought slavery was something this country should have, but unlike the regressive left, I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater - I choose to stick to the ideals of liberty and equality.
Said ideals didn’t mean bullshit like the NAP lol. And on equality I can pretty easily just say everyone equally has the right to marry the opposite gender. That’s the equality the founding fathers espoused clearly. And as far as slavery goes it was an incredibly contentious issue precisely because it was contradictory with many of the enlightenment philosophers positions. LGBT stuff? Not at all. With liberty and equality too you have vastly different meanings depending on who you asked on people who espoused these ideas. What you’ve done is just taken these words and applied them to the libertarian definition of it. I can just as easily say that I believe in liberty and equality, that vice is slavery and thus must be banned to preserve liberty, as addiction is not freedom. On equality we all have equal souls under God, but the rights of man are determined by government. Why are these ideas of equality and liberty automatically rejected by you but I have to subscribe to exactly what you believe they mean?
Apparently we embody it a lot better than "social conservatives" do.
Lol. “these guys were all religious and said religion was important and thought sodomy should be a crime and really weren’t laisse faire capitalists and thought men and women were fundamentally different and should be treated differently and have different roles in society, but I, a libertarian atheist, embody them more so than you, a social conservative”
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams
How many more quotes ya need buddy? I’ve got many from all the leading figures on a variety of these issues, because like, I wanted to learn what they actually said and believed rather than just baselessly claim it to give myself some totally unearned clout and credibility based around the American mythos. I would absolutely love for you to provide the tiniest bit of evidence.
No, I'm talking about how homosexual behavior has been observed in everything from fruit flies on up to the great apes and is thus hardly "unnatural."
yeah so has rape and murder. Chimpanzees exhibit something akin to warfare. This is a silly response to an argument I’m not making.
In this country, I do not need to explain why people should be treated equally under the law.
You need to explain why and how it’s equal and especially since you decided to invoke the founding fathers and the enlightenment, how and where it actually lines up with it. It’s honesty my biggest historical issue, libertarian types who haven’t done hardly any study at all on the enlightenment or it’s philosophers or the founding fathers or what they believed, and yet believe this dumb meme history with no basis in anything at all that the founding fathers and the enlightenment espoused their ideals, and then say social conservatives don’t embody that.
Gonna give you another chance to actually like, respond to me and not just smugly say “well I embody the enlightenment and the founding fathers and not you” when you have no credibility to that claim shown and to rebut an argument I actually made and not just assume that I say “being gay is unnatural so bad.” You’re just assuming I hold a position you think everyone who opposes gay marriage does without even thinking about anything I said. I am reading and responding to everything you actually say, I’d hope you’d give me the same consideration.