Levels & Descriptions of Physical Violence and/or Torture

CarlManvers2019

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As the title says, I’m wondering just how much this site will permit in-terms of describing things like Gore, Torture, Brutal Beatdowns that may include severe brain damage, lost of bleeding etc

Back on SB there was a Planetary Annihilation cross where the MC did a bunch of things to the S9

One of said fates was putting Jack Slash into a pod where he can only hear elevator music 24/7, will constantly be healed and lived, barely have much mobility and will wait possibly thousands of years before he dies at Jupiter or something

That was considered too violent, I think
 

CarlManvers2019

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TRF he also had Worm’s “Terrible Trio” crippled and decided to make use of a lobotomized Bonesaw as a means of getting better access to biotechnology

It’s the latter being a child(13/14)years old that looked to particularly piss off the mods, even if she was a frankly terribly and horrible person


I think this guy only gets so many passes because of his politics, Gyrich’s definitely a Republican Right Wing Bigoted stereotype
 
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This is heavily contextual. I posted a section of Gustave Flaubert’s Salammbô describing children being burned alive as sacrifices to Moloch, that’s a good example of permissible descriptions of extremely horrifying violence on this board.

Let's actually quote the torture-execution of Matho toward the end to at least show what is definitely acceptable:

In their eyes the body of this victim was something peculiarly theirs, and was adorned with almost religious splendour. They bent forward to see him, especially the women. They burned to gaze upon him who had caused the deaths of their children and husbands; and from the bottom of their souls there sprang up in spite of themselves an infamous curiosity, a desire to know him completely, a wish mingled with remorse which turned to increased execration.

At last he advanced; then the stupefaction of surprise disappeared. Numbers of arms were raised, and he was lost to sight.

The staircase of the Acropolis had sixty steps. He descended them as though he were rolled down in a torrent from the top of a mountain; three times he was seen to leap, and then he alighted below on his feet.

His shoulders were bleeding, his breast was panting with great shocks; and he made such efforts to burst his bonds that his arms, which were crossed on his naked loins, swelled like pieces of a serpent.

Several streets began in front of him, leading from the spot at which he found himself. In each of them a triple row of bronze chains fastened to the navels of the Pataec gods extended in parallel lines from one end to the other; the crowd was massed against the houses, and servants, belonging to the Ancients, walked in the middle brandishing thongs.

One of them drove him forward with a great blow; Matho began to move.

They thrust their arms over the chains shouting out that the road had been left too wide for him; and he passed along, felt, pricked, and slashed by all those fingers; when he reached the end of one street another appeared; several times he flung himself to one side to bite them; they speedily dispersed, the chains held him back, and the crowd burst out laughing.

A child rent his ear; a young girl, hiding the point of a spindle in her sleeve, split his cheek; they tore handfuls of hair from him and strips of flesh; others smeared his face with sponges steeped in filth and fastened upon sticks. A stream of blood started from the right side of his neck, frenzy immediately set in. This last Barbarian was to them a representative of all the Barbarians, and all the army; they were taking vengeance on him for their disasters, their terrors, and their shame. The rage of the mob developed with its gratification; the curving chains were over-strained, and were on the point of breaking; the people did not feel the blows of the slaves who struck at them to drive them back; some clung to the projections of the houses; all the openings in the walls were stopped up with heads; and they howled at him the mischief that they could not inflict upon him.

It was atrocious, filthy abuse mingled with ironical encouragements and imprecations; and, his present tortures not being enough for them, they foretold to him others that should be still more terrible in eternity.

This vast baying filled Carthage with stupid continuity. Frequently a single syllable--a hoarse, deep, and frantic intonation--would be repeated for several minutes by the entire people. The walls would vibrate with it from top to bottom, and both sides of the street would seem to Matho to be coming against him, and carrying him off the ground, like two immense arms stifling him in the air.

Nevertheless he remembered that he had experienced something like it before. The same crowd was on the terraces, there were the same looks and the same wrath; but then he had walked free, all had then dispersed, for a god covered him;--and the recollection of this, gaining precision by degrees, brought a crushing sadness upon him. Shadows passed before his eyes; the town whirled round in his head, his blood streamed from a wound in his hip, he felt that he was dying; his hams bent, and he sank quite gently upon the pavement.

Some one went to the peristyle of the temple of Melkarth, took thence the bar of a tripod, heated red hot in the coals, and, slipping it beneath the first chain, pressed it against his wound. The flesh was seen to smoke; the hootings of the people drowned his voice; he was standing again.

Six paces further on, and he fell a third and again a fourth time; but some new torture always made him rise. They discharged little drops of boiling oil through tubes at him; they strewed pieces of broken glass beneath his feet; still he walked on. At the corner of the street of Satheb he leaned his back against the wall beneath the pent-house of a shop, and advanced no further.

The slaves of the Council struck him with their whips of hippopotamus leather, so furiously and long that the fringes of their tunics were drenched with sweat. Matho appeared insensible; suddenly he started off and began to run at random, making a noise with his lips like one shivering with severe cold. He threaded the street of Boudes, and the street of Soepo, crossed the Green Market, and reached the square of Khamon.

He now belonged to the priests; the slaves had just dispersed the crowd, and there was more room. Matho gazed round him and his eyes encountered Salammbo.

At the first step that he had taken she had risen; then, as he approached, she had involuntarily advanced by degrees to the edge of the terrace; and soon all external things were blotted out, and she saw only Matho. Silence fell in her soul,--one of those abysses wherein the whole world disappears beneath the pressure of a single thought, a memory, a look. This man who was walking towards her attracted her.

Excepting his eyes he had no appearance of humanity left; he was a long, perfectly red shape; his broken bonds hung down his thighs, but they could not be distinguished from the tendons of his wrists, which were laid quite bare; his mouth remained wide open; from his eye- sockets there darted flames which seemed to rise up to his hair;--and the wretch still walked on!

He reached the foot of the terrace. Salammbo was leaning over the balustrade; those frightful eyeballs were scanning her, and there rose within her a consciousness of all that he had suffered for her. Although he was in his death agony she could see him once more kneeling in his tent, encircling her waist with his arms, and stammering out gentle words; she thirsted to feel them and hear them again; she did not want him to die! At this moment Matho gave a great start; she was on the point of shrieking aloud. He fell backwards and did not stir again.

Salammbo was borne back, nearly swooning, to her throne by the priests who flocked about her. They congratulated her; it was her work. All clapped their hands and stamped their feet, howling her name.

A man darted upon the corpse. Although he had no beard he had the cloak of a priest of Moloch on his shoulder, and in his belt that species of knife which they employed for cutting up the sacred meat, and which terminated, at the end of the handle, in a golden spatula. He cleft Matho's breast with a single blow, then snatched out the heart and laid it upon the spoon; and Schahabarim, uplifting his arm, offered it to the sun.

The sun sank behind the waves; his rays fell like long arrows upon the red heart. As the beatings diminished the planet sank into the sea; and at the last palpitation it disappeared.
 
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Ideally; fairly gruesome violence will be handled like this. Note that this got me reported, but I defended myself, so I wasn't infracted, when I described this "authoritarian violence" on sufficientvelocity:

"The man was forced to his belly with a single crisp order, and one of the other troopers stepped on his arm to hold it out. Then, without scarring the bare polished metal of the deck, the officer coolly burned off the man's fist with his blaster pistol."

And here's another example, describing executed enemies of a national insurrectionary movement:

“There’s no need to turn it into a theatre,” Sergeant Waters answered after a moment. She tapped her omnitool a few times, and projected the image so Fei’nur could see it as a hologram on her own.

It clearly showed a line of at least dozens of decapitated bodies, strung from the catenary towers of the railway line. They were hung upside down with razor wire by the ankles, with the heads on the ground below them and large quantities of blood, suggesting they’d been beheaded in place. Placards with an unfamiliar script--no, it was recognisable, the script of the Japanese and her old Warmaster’s great rival--marked each corpse.

The old Colonel’s lips curled. “We’ll use drones to cut them down, and use the earthmover attachments to at least bury them in a mass grave. The archives are all that needs to keep seeing this. It’s clearly begun - the strife I was dreading. Keep your perimeters tight, everyone. Nobody can be presumed friendly here.” It’s always the same. Fei’nur growled as she cleared the holo-display, the auto-translator helpfully giving her the text the local guerrillas had intended to provide an example.

This German Defiled Japanese Womanhood”

“This German Killed Japanese Youth”

“Rejuvenation of Society shall come in blood!”

“Let us all join in the national reconstruction.”


The bloodletting had begun, and now Fei’nur intended to keep her people out of it. Finding arms caches came second to avoiding the quicksand this situation could become, very, very quickly. Still, she had orders, as she gathered her forces into scratch battle groups.
 
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Bottom Line: Graphic descriptions of torture are okay, as long as they are NOT for erotic purposes, but written matter-of-factly without an attempt to convey the pleasure of the writer or to provide pleasure to a reader. Cold realism is fine in matters of torture and atrocities, but not reveling them. That follows the principle of Free Expression, but not Free Speech. You can describe torture, but how you do it matters.
 

Strigan44

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Back on SB there was a Planetary Annihilation cross where the MC did a bunch of things to the S9

One of said fates was putting Jack Slash into a pod where he can only hear elevator music 24/7, will constantly be healed and lived, barely have much mobility and will wait possibly thousands of years before he dies at Jupiter or something
...Isn't that literally what Gray Boy (AKA one of the most evil villains in the setting) does to his victims?


Wow, people on Discord were actually freaked out by this post, because I “bragged about having a character raped”.

That was not even remotely the only objectionable thing to happen in the chapter in which that occurred. In fact, it’s almost overshadowed by all the other awful things that happened. To summarize:

  • A bomb-laden train was used as a cruise missile to destroy the train station adjacent to a concentration camp, killing hundreds of enemy civilians and military instantly and burying others in rubble.
  • Someone is graphically stabbed before his corpse is tossed aside.
  • The protag crushes an alien merc by stacking heavy objects on top of him with telekinesis.
  • The protagonist has her nose broken and is nearly raped by one of the alien mercs. She’s so scared and high on meth, she pisses herself. She manages to thwart the rape by propelling her attacker into a brick wall with telekinesis hard enough to put him in a coma.
  • A soldier’s limb is dislocated from its socket before she’s kidnapped.
  • The rebels take one of the alien mercs to the ground and start stabbing him with boot knives.
  • One of the alien mercenaries has his knee stabbed with a purloined knife heated with pyrokinesis, and he is then graphically beheaded and his head tossed at the other alien mercs to taunt them.
  • The alien mercs hide behind a barricade while their leader graphically rapes their kidnap victim. He passes her off to one of his lackeys so said lackey can saw her broken limb off with a combat knife, and then cook and eat it. The merc leader rips his victim’s cheek open with his claws, leaving her with half of a Glasgow Smile.
  • This horror stops when the leader of the rebels uses her massive anti-materiel rifle to put each of them down. The effects of the 30mm slugs are described in gruesome detail.
  • Said rebel leader’s rifle can convert into a war hammer by placing a solid, spiked chunk of metal that looks like a tenderizer into the magazine well and swinging it by the carry handle. The effect of this rifle-hammer being swung at an enemy is described graphically.
  • The rebel leader tests the protag’s morals by daring her to finish off the wounded militia member that the aliens raped and dismembered. The protag refuses, thus passing the test.
  • Shortly after the protag finds that her sisters have been kidnapped from her old apartment, one of the rebel militia is vaporized by an alien mercenary tank’s plasma cannon. His body explodes and pelts the protag in blood and entrails. She ends up picking his teeth out of her hair for days afterward.
  • A squad machine gunner is shot in the head, leaving him lying face-down in a pool of his own blood.
  • The protag and her squad breach into the grounds of the concentration camp and encounter a group of enemy civilians huddled together. At her orders, they summarily execute them, mowing them all down on the spot. The protag personally and graphically murders one of them with a point-blank energy weapon blast to his head.
  • The protag encounters an alien merc with a heavy machine gun who is so angered by her resistance, he threatens to anally rape her until she “splits like a hot dog left in the microwave too long”.
  • The protag discovers a charnel house where the alien mercs had been casually flaying her own kind alive, also torturing, raping, and butchering them for their meat and hides. There, she finds her sister, who’d been raped and tortured, with a knife left sticking out of her chest. Her sister manages a few tearful parting words before expiring.
  • Five of the alien mercs attack. The enraged protag pulls the knife left in her sister’s chest out, like pulling Excalibur from a stone, and uses it to kill an alien merc. A second one, she turns his gun on his own head with telekinesis. The third and fourth are killed by a returned grenade. The fifth, after she skirmishes with him for a moment, ends up having all of his fingers on one hand broken by her telekinesis. She then repeatedly punches him so hard that she breaks the orbit of his eye and his eye falls out of its socket, left dangling by the nerve and connective tissue.
  • The protag finds out from the leader of the mercs that her other sister, the one that’s still alive, was sold into sex slavery.

All of that happens in one chapter.
/yawn

I mean I haven't actually read your fic, so I'm not actually sure what it's like. But the way you're describing it doesn't make it sound particularly "scary."
 

CarlManvers2019

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...Isn't that literally what Gray Boy (AKA one of the most evil villains in the setting) does to his victims?

Yeah, but no TimeLoops, and the healing is for when Jack himself tries to off himself rather than being deliberately physically tortured
 

Iconoclast

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/yawn

I mean I haven't actually read your fic, so I'm not actually sure what it's like. But the way you're describing it doesn't make it sound particularly "scary."

Ehh, I actually agree with you. I think it sounds mawkish and overblown when summarized. The prose itself is a bit better than that, I think, but I dunno. Each thing fits better in-context.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Speaking of violence and graphic descriptions, would ULTRAVIOLENCE be okay if it's done on a monster or something really really really evil during combat instead of when already defeated?

Like Doomguy bashing a demon's brains out
 

Arlos

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Well, I know it has been a while since someone spoke here, but what about graphic violence meant to inspire fear in the readers? to really punch them in the guts and drive in how horrifying the situation is? (I am not talking about torture, just graphic violence).
 

CarlManvers2019

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Well, I know it has been a while since someone spoke here, but what about graphic violence meant to inspire fear in the readers? to really punch them in the guts and drive in how horrifying the situation is? (I am not talking about torture, just graphic violence).

I'm okay with that, see no problem in it at all
 
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Well, I know it has been a while since someone spoke here, but what about graphic violence meant to inspire fear in the readers? to really punch them in the guts and drive in how horrifying the situation is? (I am not talking about torture, just graphic violence).


That’s fine. For that matter a waterboarding session would be as well. I don’t understand why this requires so much effort to make clear... We’re not allowing perverse erotica, not realistic depictions of state violence.
 

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