Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Thread

Vyor

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Um, they do? They literally have to. I don't think you get how this works. If the judge doesn't care, it gets appealed and overturned.

The Judge, along with the two opposing lawyers, is also in charge of the jury instructions, which lay out clear as day to the jury what the relevant law is and how to interpret it, and the definition I gave is quite clearly written in the jury instructions.

Also, if you don't think the judge or the jury will pay attention to the law, then why the hell would a law change do anything? Stop doompilling, this is a win.

Which is why this was dismissed because "just an opinion" right?
 

Navarro

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This is absolutely disgusting and depraved and schizoid.

It's also written by an outright raving commie - in one of his latest rants he describes the Soviet Union as an example of a "progressive" society which was dismantled by those meanie conservatoids, which he obvs. views as a tragedy. So feel free to dismiss it as just more commie talk.
 

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It's also written by an outright raving commie - in one of his latest rants he describes the Soviet Union as an example of a "progressive" society which was dismantled by those meanie conservatoids, which he obvs. views as a tragedy. So feel free to dismiss it as just more commie talk.

I don't. I see it as a unique opportunity to see into the minds of our adversaries. They are crossing lines they really should be smarter about crossing. 40 years ago, I read up all I could on the Soviet military and the Marxist/Lennist way of war. Now? I am reading up on how the Progressives intend to wage "war." I warn them, I am a very quick study.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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I don't. I see it as a unique opportunity to see into the minds of our adversaries. They are crossing lines they really should be smarter about crossing. 40 years ago, I read up all I could on the Soviet military and the Marxist/Lennist way of war. Now? I am reading up on how the Progressives intend to wage "war." I warn them, I am a very quick study.

I agree with you, though I would add in my humble opinion. That these guys aren't really communists, the American left has always been closer to the insanity of Marat and Robespierre and Babeuf than to Marx. IE they're more "deconstructivists" than they are communists.

Not to challenge forty years of observation but if these guys are confusing you now, its probably because of that. You're expecting an old school soviet when you should probably be expecting a powdered wigged, pox faced "sworn revolutionary". Old enemies sleep until they can rise from their dusty halls and strike through relatively new faces and all that.
 

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I agree with you, though I would add in my humble opinion. That these guys aren't really communists, the American left has always been closer to the insanity of Marat and Robespierre and Babeuf than to Marx. IE they're more "deconstructivists" than they are communists.

Not to challenge forty years of observation but if these guys are confusing you now, its probably because of that. You're expecting an old school soviet when you should probably be expecting a powdered wigged, pox faced "sworn revolutionary". Old enemies sleep until they can rise from their dusty halls and strike through relatively new faces and all that.
This.

Marx is more just another 'old white guy' to most of the the Left these days.

The Far Left have moved beyond him to more...indigenous sourced redistrubutionist ideas, or Kendi inspired dumbassery. Less "Communism", more the Iroquois Confederation or Bantu Empire writ large, with similar sorts of justice systems and land use regs while adding in 'reparations' and such.

Thinking in terms of old Soviet ideas when dealing with the Left is both a good idea, because Russia still has a hand in this shit, and a bad idea because Russia no longer controls the beast they created. The beast is under control of the banks and Bill Gates now.
 

Circle of Willis

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I agree with you, though I would add in my humble opinion. That these guys aren't really communists, the American left has always been closer to the insanity of Marat and Robespierre and Babeuf than to Marx. IE they're more "deconstructivists" than they are communists.

Not to challenge forty years of observation but if these guys are confusing you now, its probably because of that. You're expecting an old school soviet when you should probably be expecting a powdered wigged, pox faced "sworn revolutionary". Old enemies sleep until they can rise from their dusty halls and strike through relatively new faces and all that.
I do believe that's the 'Old Left'/'New Left' divide. The Old Left were actual working class socialists and commies, people like the West Virginian & Coloradan miners who fought running battles against management, police and even the National Guard from time to time, and generally couldn't give less of a flying crap about gay rights, abortion or whatever while focusing wholly or almost entirely on the economic side of things - worker ownership of the 'means of production', mass unionization, etc. While the New Left are the 'coalition of the margins'. They're the seething terminally online ancoms, deconstructionist academics, child rapists, genderspecials who want their pronouns respected on pain of death, racial supremacists who unironically think Cleopatra and Hannibal were black, other minorities with a chip on their shoulder the size of Texas (like the Umair Haque whose articles cropped up in this thread), and generally psychopathic nihilists who desperately want to destroy everything to fill the ravening void within where their souls used to be, all unified only by their overwhelming hatred of the cis-hetero patriarchy and basically everything good and sane in the world.

My understanding is that in the States, this divide got going in the '60s with the ascendancy of the hippies, the civil rights movement and people like Herbert Marcuse. But the divide always crops up everywhere a left-wing movement gets big enough, and especially wherever they manage to take power, and has its different names all over the world. ('Orthodox' Maoists vs. Dengists in China, for example.)

Also, the New Left tends to be so much more unbearable to live with (much less live under) that they inevitably piss off literally everyone around them and get purged by the Old Leftists at the earliest convenience. Hence Stalin purging the Old Bolsheviks after Lenin died, Deng Xiaoping purging the Gang of Four after Mao died, and the slightly saner (formerly North) Vietnamese routing the Khmer Rouge after 'Nam. Can't blame them for that tbh, as someone who hangs out anonymously on a Discord overrun with New Left types that think the Black Panthers and Weather Underground were only wrong because they didn't overthrow the US, I can safely say that literally anything would be better than the nightmare these lunatics want to force on everyone else and that any tactic would be justified to keep these 'no bad tactics, only bad targets' types out of power.

Unfortunately the Old Leftists tend to be sane enough that they're able to put together still-horrible societies which manage to function for at least the average citizen's lifetime, as well, instead of one that manages to speedrun postmodernist horrors before burning out relatively quickly. The Soviet Union Stalin built managing to last to 1991, instead of attacking the rest of the planet and promptly getting roflstomped into the Siberian dirt by 1930 like Comrade 'World Revolution' Trotsky would've wanted, is just the most obvious example.
 

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I do believe that's the 'Old Left'/'New Left' divide. The Old Left were actual working class socialists and commies, people like the West Virginian & Coloradan miners who fought running battles against management, police and even the National Guard from time to time, and generally couldn't give less of a flying crap about gay rights, abortion or whatever while focusing wholly or almost entirely on the economic side of things - worker ownership of the 'means of production', mass unionization, etc. While the New Left are the 'coalition of the margins'. They're the seething terminally online ancoms, deconstructionist academics, child rapists, genderspecials who want their pronouns respected on pain of death, racial supremacists who unironically think Cleopatra and Hannibal were black, other minorities with a chip on their shoulder the size of Texas (like the Umair Haque whose articles cropped up in this thread), and generally psychopathic nihilists who desperately want to destroy everything to fill the ravening void within where their souls used to be, all unified only by their overwhelming hatred of the cis-hetero patriarchy and basically everything good and sane in the world.

My understanding is that in the States, this divide got going in the '60s with the ascendancy of the hippies, the civil rights movement and people like Herbert Marcuse. But the divide always crops up everywhere a left-wing movement gets big enough, and especially wherever they manage to take power, and has its different names all over the world. ('Orthodox' Maoists vs. Dengists in China, for example.)

Also, the New Left tends to be so much more unbearable to live with (much less live under) that they inevitably piss off literally everyone around them and get purged by the Old Leftists at the earliest convenience. Hence Stalin purging the Old Bolsheviks after Lenin died, Deng Xiaoping purging the Gang of Four after Mao died, and the slightly saner (formerly North) Vietnamese routing the Khmer Rouge after 'Nam. Can't blame them for that tbh, as someone who hangs out anonymously on a Discord overrun with New Left types that think the Black Panthers and Weather Underground were only wrong because they didn't overthrow the US, I can safely say that literally anything would be better than the nightmare these lunatics want to force on everyone else and that any tactic would be justified to keep these 'no bad tactics, only bad targets' types out of power.

Unfortunately the Old Leftists tend to be sane enough that they're able to put together still-horrible societies which manage to function for at least the average citizen's lifetime, as well, instead of one that manages to speedrun postmodernist horrors before burning out relatively quickly. The Soviet Union Stalin built managing to last to 1991, instead of attacking the rest of the planet and promptly getting roflstomped into the Siberian dirt by 1930 like Comrade 'World Revolution' Trotsky would've wanted, is just the most obvious example.
TL; DR

Left wing BAD, right wing GOOD!
 

Navarro

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, other minorities with a chip on their shoulder the size of Texas (like the Umair Haque whose articles cropped up in this thread),

Actually, Haque does deserve a small bit of slack given that he's got porphyria (the same thing George III had) and thus suffers from:

Psychiatric manifestations include hysteria, anxiety, depression, phobias, psychosis, organic disorders, agitation, delirium, and altered consciousness

Not that you could tell from reading his blog posts.
 
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Sailor.X

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Well, it's not over yet, apparently. :rolleyes:


Christ they really can't stand the idea of right wingers defending themselves.

Remember: These people want you dead. Never let your guard down.
And depending on the State the Trial happens in. They can rule against him for literally anything. Civil Juries have convicted people who were proven innocent of their criminal trial with absolute zero doubt of guilt. Because it is not about evidence it is about feelings.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Christ they really can't stand the idea of right wingers defending themselves.

Remember: These people want you dead. Never let your guard down.
Noticed this point,
"...A more winning strategy will be if they can show that law enforcement “was simply negligent in their ability to protect the deceased,”

Haven't the courts already declared that Law Enforcement is NOT actually required to aid and protect, and therefore can't be held liable if something bad happens while they stand there and watch?
 

Urabrask Revealed

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Well, it's not over yet, apparently. :rolleyes:


Christ they really can't stand the idea of right wingers defending themselves.

Remember: These people want you dead. Never let your guard down.
And depending on the State the Trial happens in. They can rule against him for literally anything. Civil Juries have convicted people who were proven innocent of their criminal trial with absolute zero doubt of guilt. Because it is not about evidence it is about feelings.
Worst part is, I fully expect the majority of conservatives to cuck out and meekly accept whatever bullshit they lock him up for.
Haven't the courts already declared that Law Enforcement is NOT actually required to aid and protect, and therefore can't be held liable if something bad happens while they stand there and watch?
Piggies care only for their own lifes and that of their immediate families, oink, oink!
 

Jormungandr

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Christ they really can't stand the idea of right wingers defending themselves.

Remember: These people want you dead. Never let your guard down.
This is why I laugh at people, and yes I include several people on this forum, who think anyone who isn't a Leftoid can still take the high road against said Leftoids actions, or that violence isn't going to become a necessity in time.

You cannot turn the other cheek to people who want you and your children either dead or subsumed. They'll just stab, shoot, or whack your turned cheek with a bike lock.

Wake up.
 

Vyor

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Worst part is, I fully expect the majority of conservatives to cuck out and meekly accept whatever bullshit they lock him up for.

They literally can't do that. Civil courts can't put people in jail.

This is why I laugh at people, and yes I include several people on this forum, who think anyone who isn't a Leftoid can still take the high road against said Leftoids actions, or that violence isn't going to become a necessity in time.

You cannot turn the other cheek to people who want you and your children either dead or subsumed. They'll just stab, shoot, or whack your turned cheek with a bike lock.

Wake up.

Ok feddie.
 

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