Kiwi Farms under attack again

[Bacle]

Price didn't say anything of the sort, in fact he was extremely vague about what sort of alleged threats were posted. Given that cloudflare had just made its big "Die mad keffals, we're not going to let you DDOS kiwifarms" post, it's extremely questionable that posters from the farms would decide to follow that up by sending threats to cloudflare.


The post I've seen people suggest is behind the ban is some random guy going "oh, so this person is in Ireland, I'll contact my IRA buddies have then plant bombs in every poutine shop in Belfest, plus teams of armed men ready to follow up". Which the poster deleted as being stupid 15 minutes later, and it had been reported to staff as well, they just hadn't gotten around to deleting it.

Now, that was a dumb, unfunny thing to say. But even if he was dead serious about it (and he wasn't), it was not in any way credible and Price had to know that.

And secondly, regardless of the exact nature of things, Cloudflare is still to blame here because they had just said "no, we're not going to take the site down, we don't think we should have that power and will just follow the law, and leave matters like this to law enforcement and legislation". If you stake out a principle like that, you had better stick to it.

Wait, this all went so retarded because some chucklefuck threatened to call in an IRA hit on...was it Keffals of Price?

This is a confusing mess that makes me very glad I never joined KF, and justifies my gut feeling from way back that KF was going to implode do to somebody doing something stupid one day.

 

[Sobek]

Having Tucker Carlson expose the actual nonpartisan nature of Kiwifarms and the truth about the people who want it shut down would be a massive win.

 

[DarthOne]

The Internet archive has now dropped their archives of Kiwifarms, which is a very interesting move because why would you want proof of the doxxing and swatting gone?

You don't. It's, of course, because the degenerate troons want to memory hole their retarded behavior and make it so no one can contradict the official narrative with pesky facts and material proof.

Null says that some jornos have gone as far as to start digging his lawyer's trash in their drive to slander him. This is literally turning into a Covington Kids or Richard Jewel scenario as we speak.

The site is getting DDOS with thousand of attempts at logging in with older accounts that are inactive, likely from troons wanting to stage false flags by saying how they are totally gonna shoot up a school in some account with 3 posts from 2017 so they can screenshot it and use as "evidence".

The .top domain is unstable apparently, with only those who have a ipv6 connection being able to access it. The tor .onion site however is stable and workable for everyone with TOR.

Null's final point is that, worse comes to pass, he will upload a COMPLETE backup of the site entire forum and backlog (7TB of the purest, distiled internet detective autismo and lolcow watching) as a torrent so anyone who has space and keep the data and ensure the troons can never delete their creepy statements about grooming kids and wanting to rape women from the internet.

The destruction of Kiwifarms and the purging of the archives is the inauguration of the next phase of the internet. No records, no archives, everybody that remembers anything about these liars, scammers, thieves, and sickos will be banned from whatever website they speak on.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Wait, this all went so retarded because some chucklefuck threatened to call in an IRA hit on...was it Keffals of Price?

This is a confusing mess that makes me very glad I never joined KF, and justifies my gut feeling from way back that KF was going to implode do to somebody doing something stupid one day.

They "threatened" to call in an IRA hit on Keffals in the sense that I could threaten you with a predator drone.

Yes, I can type the words "Watch out Bacle, I'm going to send a predator drone after you and then shoot hellfire missiles at you" out on the internet, but no reasonable person would in a million years believe I have any capacity to do that. And furthermore, it's the sort of completely non-credible "threat" that gets posted on all sorts of websites without anyone caring or the website getting shut down.

If the standard is "anything any random person on your site says is grounds to shut down the whole site", then literally every website should have cloudflare pull out.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Yes, I can type the words "Watch out Bacle, I'm going to send a predator drone after you shoot hellfire missiles at you" out on the internet, but no reasonable person would in a million years believe I have any capacity to do that. And furthermore, it's the sort of completely non-credible "threat" that gets posted on all sorts of websites without anyone caring or the website getting shut down.

Sam Hyde did it best

 

[Jormungandr]

Yep.

I've seen people say that "oh, a Black actress playing a historical White person doesn't mean anything since it's fictional; stop being a bigot, you bigot!"

How is this relevant to IA playing judge, jury, and executioner with site history, you ask?

Well, yes -- we know that it's a fictional portrayal (and an offensive one at that), but generations coming after us likely won't because of how information is being filtered and controlled... like what IA is now doing.

I've already seen younger users on sites like Quora asking if "racism in the Royal Family has always been there" due to "Anne Boleyn". It hasn't even been a fucking year.

In ten, twenty years, the younger generations likely wouldn't have heard of Kiwi Farms, if it's permanently down by then. It'll just join the countless sites that were popular like twenty years ago but are now gone, with only scattered, random, and utterly irrelevant text references as the only testimony that they existed in the first place.

And all the, let's say "juicy", bits of information that Kiwi uncovered about people --Alphabet Soup Nuts, politicians and celebrities, government officials, right down to even teachers brainwashing kids in schools-- being predators, groomers, kiddie-fuckers, and just doing other fucked up shit? Gone.

Control the media, control the mind. Edit history, control what people think later on down the line.

IA is being utterly reprehensible.

 

[Cherico]

Actually I forsee a massive backlash against all of this coming with in our lifetimes.

 

[DarthOne]

Actually I forsee a massive backlash against all of this coming with in our lifetimes.

I hope you are right. Though in my darker moments I find myself thinking that 'I'll believe it when I see it'.

 

[Sobek]

Thing is this isn't new to the Internet Archive. Loads of people in there are openly ideologues and leftists and really believe they are doing progress by deciding what gets archived and what gets memory holed.

I remember they did a pathetic marketing campaign about internet freedom where they straight up simped for Google and Amazon while making up a entire new internet monopoly from "conservative news" so they could pretend that leftists are the ones fighting for freedom. They really tried to pretend removing section 230 was gonna result in literal 1984 while also presenting the destruction of big tech monopolies as anti-freedom while at the same time saying a counter-cartel of "conservative" tech giants would rise and take over.

I did a thread about it but it didn't get much traction, probably because the project by Internet Archive was such a absurd failure that their entire campaign barely got 50k views on youtube after a year.

 

[Bacle]

They "threatened" to call in an IRA hit on Keffals in the sense that I could threaten you with a predator drone.

Yes, I can type the words "Watch out Bacle, I'm going to send a predator drone after you shoot hellfire missiles at you" out on the internet, but no reasonable person would in a million years believe I have any capacity to do that. And furthermore, it's the sort of completely non-credible "threat" that gets posted on all sorts of websites without anyone caring or the website getting shut down.

If the standard is "anything any random person on your site says is grounds to shut down the whole site", then literally every website should have cloudflare pull out.

I'm just trying to get a handle on what exactly has happened and why as an outside observer, no need to be an ass.

 

[Jormungandr]

Actually I foresee a massive backlash against all of this coming with in our lifetimes.

Honestly, the only way I'm seeing this ending is now in violence.

They will not stop of their own violation. Ever. Peaceful methods will not, cannot, work because they've subverted the processes used in creating a peaceful response/reaction to their rabid zealotry -- it comes from the old paradigm of thinking that no longer applies.

It's going to end with either anyone who isn't a Leftard subverted and subsumed or pretty much the Lefties' heads on literal pikes.

 

[DarthOne]

Honestly, the only way I'm seeing this ending is now in violence.

They will not stop of their own violation. Ever. Peaceful methods will not, cannot, work because they've subverted the processes used in creating a peaceful response/reaction to their rabid zealotry -- it comes from the old paradigm of thinking that no longer applies.

It's going to end with either anyone who isn't a Leftard subverted and subsumed or pretty much the Lefties' heads on literal pikes.

...what do you make of our odds if it comes to that?

 

[Terthna]

Honestly, the only way I'm seeing this ending is now in violence.

They will not stop of their own violation. Ever. Peaceful methods will not, cannot, work because they've subverted the processes used in creating a peaceful response/reaction to their rabid zealotry -- it comes from the old paradigm of thinking that no longer applies.

It's going to end with either anyone who isn't a Leftard subverted and subsumed or pretty much the Lefties' heads on literal pikes.

The latter will happen regardless. Because the system they're building is incredibly venerable to being co-opted by charismatic, power-hungry aspiring dictators who will eliminate any potential threat to their reign with extreme prejudice.

It's kinda funny actually, in a darkly humorous sort of way. Those who pulled up the ladder behind them after reaching the top will find themselves subject to the same treatment; except this time, the person at the top will also be shooting at them.

 

[posh-goofiness]

I can't believe I'm actually making a kiwi account just because this drama is happening. The absolute state...

 

[Jormungandr]

...what do you make of our odds if it comes to that?

The Left rely on intimidation, subversion, and outright thuggery -- we see this in BLM, AntiFa, MSM, and what government and military elements have drunk the kool-aid/are under Democrat control. They also rely on a rigged-in-their-favour system for protection, and we see this all the time where they're released a few hours after, don't get charged, et cetera.

The moment people start actively fighting back, e.g. just going to town on an AntiFa mob with an assault rifle and no longer giving a shit about the law/protections covering for them, they'll likely lose a lot of their actual ground support willing to do anything physical.

Posting mean tweets and online attention whoring means nothing if someone is physically going to crack your skull open or beat you half to death for trying to attack them or their families.

Frankly put, outside of the rabid zealots? They'd lose a lot of people actually willing to "stand up" for their socialist/communist beliefs, once they realize that there are going to be very real physical consequences for their actions.

It's all fun and games LARPing as a "freedom fighter", dressing in black and armed with a bike lock to "crack Nazis' skulls!", until you're on the end of your would-be victims' baseball bats or guns, while all your supposed friends are shrieking for the police.

Or, ya know, when they're just driven through and become speedbumps. shrug

 

[Battlegrinder]

Sam Hyde did it best

See, that's actually bad example, because it's entirely plausible and possible that San Hyde can and will hunt down Hassan, kill him, and wear his skin.

I'm just trying to get a handle on what exactly has happened and why as an outside observer, no need to be an ass.

Ah, sorry, didn't mean to be offensive.

 

[posh-goofiness]

So, according to the banner post on KF:
Links and images removed so I don't tank an infraction or whatever.

Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince stated an imminent threat to human life was why he revoked our service.


He elaborates in his post, and claims violent rhetoric had ramped up.



This seems to be based off one of two things:

1. A post made on 4chan's /pol/ with a picture taken outside an apartment in Ireland which references the forum.


2. A series of posts made by one user, @Washizu Iwao (formerly @Serotonin).


This means that a community with 16,000 daily sign-ins is being punished for the behavior of a single user, or a person not even on our website.

The post by @Washizu Iwao was posted at 9:42pm EU time. It was reported seven times. After 32 minutes it was deleted by @Ride, one of our admins. The user was also banned. (Correction: The user deleted the post himself with the reason "retarded" 14 minutes after it had been posted, and 2 minutes after #DropKiwiFarms tweeted about it, as outlined here.)


Our website makes no money. All of our moderators are volunteers. It took Facebook (with a 24/7 staff of paid moderators) 29 minutes to remove the Christchurch shooting from Facebook Live.

This user joined in 2020, but the account remained inactive until July, 2022.


He made a single, low-effort post in an on-topic board before going dormant again until August 21st. Every subsequent post was in the Keffals thread.


This person is not an active member of the community. This appears to be a sleeper account someone had gotten access to in July, and kept on hand to use like this.

On August 31st, Matthew Prince released a strong statement defending his role as a service provider and not a regulatory body. 3 days later, something scared him. I don't know what it was, but it achieved the desired result. In an explanation published late on a Saturday, which reads as rushed and irrational, he tries to mitigate the whiplash between the two opposing statements by saying we are the worst site he has ever seen - because one post (which was already deleted by the time he pulled the plug) made a violent threat.

The precedent has been set. At Cloudflare, with enough pressure, a single post by a strange account can be made to threaten a 9-year-old community and the tens of thousands of people who have used it every day for years. There has never been a violent incident in our history, which cannot be said for many other sites still on Cloudflare. This narrative feels like a lie spun up to save face.

Contrary to any other time Cloudflare has refused service, the error page for our domain is unique. It exists to defend Cloudflare's decision making and to defame our community as a dangerous organization with zero substance besides Matthew Prince's own words. He has never felt it necessary to seize a domain and convert it to a P.R. statement for Cloudflare before today.


Even now, I have received zero communication from Cloudflare or any law enforcement agency regarding #DropKiwiFarms or its members.

This concerns me and should deeply concern everyone about the state of the Internet.


I'll have more to say later. I've not yet moved my domains from Cloudflare, because a part of me thinks that Matthew will recognize this as an err in judgement. The decision is simply too asinine for me to accept as reality.

Up to your own judgement if this was justified or not. I would suggest, for any of you selfhosters out there, that you change from Cloudflare hosting. Same with AWS, GCP, Azure, etc.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Basically a lurker account that hadn't posted since 2020 posted a death threat, which was removed within minutes. IMMEDIATELY the site was dropped and noted media apparatchik Taylor Lorenz -instantly- had an article ready to go within seconds. Basically it's an op.

Keffals is currently attempting to pressure archive sites to remove the evidence of him being a gross pedophile groomer from the internet.

 

[WolfBear]

Kiwi Farms has been scrubbed from the Internet Archive

Its address is now excluded from the Wayback Machine.

www.theverge.com

 

[Cherico]

Honestly, the only way I'm seeing this ending is now in violence.

They will not stop of their own violation. Ever. Peaceful methods will not, cannot, work because they've subverted the processes used in creating a peaceful response/reaction to their rabid zealotry -- it comes from the old paradigm of thinking that no longer applies.

It's going to end with either anyone who isn't a Leftard subverted and subsumed or pretty much the Lefties' heads on literal pikes.

Well that's how it ended at the end of the last modern period during the last civilizational cycle. Rome got lucky and got a ceasar chinas first emperor shattered then so hard he's still a figure of terror to this day