Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

[ShieldWife]

If you want to reduce the number of fatherless homes, then changing our child support laws back to what they were before the 1970s or so might be a good start in regards to this. Child support gives single women an incentive to raise children in fatherless homes, after all.

Yes, I completely agree. Child support laws are part of the problem, so is welfare, sexual permissiveness, feminism. Anything that seems to remove the consequences for irresponsible behavior, especial in women, will ultimately pass those consequences on to children and society in general.

 

[ShieldWife]

It says something very unpleasant about our times that you can say something so transparently insane and not fear any substantial consequences or blowback for doing so.

Granted, in Harris's case that's partial because her approval rating have effectively bottomed out already so whatever she says can't hurt her, but still.

The leftists very seldom back off of their crazy claims. More often they double down and double down until their insanity becomes the new normal.

 

[WolfBear]

Yes, I completely agree. Child support laws are part of the problem, so is welfare, sexual permissiveness, feminism. Anything that seems to remove the consequences for irresponsible behavior, especial in women, will ultimately pass those consequences on to children and society in general.

Yeah, FWIW, I believe that most of the problems of the children of single parents aren't because they have single parents, but rather because people who are inclined to become single parents probably have worse genes on average, genes that they subsequently pass onto their children.

 

[Cherico]

The leftists very seldom back off of their crazy claims. More often they double down and double down until their insanity becomes the new normal.

This is one of those tactics that works right up until the point it causes society to snap and everything backfires hard. This is also why their absolutely hysterical about anyone defending themselves because once shit starts snow balling it goes real bad for them for a real long time.

 

[LordsFire]

Yeah, FWIW, I believe that most of the problems of the children of single parents aren't because they have single parents, but rather because people who are inclined to become single parents probably have worse genes on average, genes that they subsequently pass onto their children.

I'm sorry, but this is not supported by the patterns we see in society.

Also, as any competent child psychologist can tell you, having both parents present is very important to healthy emotional development of a child.

 

[Cherico]

I'm sorry, but this is not supported by the patterns we see in society.

Also, as any competent child psychologist can tell you, having both parents present is very important to healthy emotional development of a child.

plus raising children is hard, really god damned hard as in we used to have extended family units of aunts, uncles, grandparents and cousins an entire clan of people all working together to raise kids.

Then we decided ok that entire support structor that worked for thousands of years fuck that lets put all of that pressure upon two people, and then and then some idiots decided they could do this job that required an entire community by themselves....

so of course shit is going to go wrong, I mean you can also climb mount everest by yourself it doesn't mean its a good fucking idea.

 

[WolfBear]

I'm sorry, but this is not supported by the patterns we see in society.

Also, as any competent child psychologist can tell you, having both parents present is very important to healthy emotional development of a child.

I guess that this is why the children of single parents who are conceived through sperm/egg donation fare so poorly then, eh? /s

 

[ShieldWife]

Yeah, FWIW, I believe that most of the problems of the children of single parents aren't because they have single parents, but rather because people who are inclined to become single parents probably have worse genes on average, genes that they subsequently pass onto their children.

I imagine that it’s a mix. Irresponsible people tend to have worse genes that they pass on to their kids, but growing up with just one parent certainly has a negative impact too. It’s both. A single mom, regardless of how wonderful she may be, is far more likely to have to rely on public schooling, TV, daycare, and otherwise be less involved in the upbringing of her children. Especially in the modern era where nuclear families are all the remain of the extended families that we used to rely on.

On the other hand, IQ is mostly genetic.

Maybe it could be studied: for example comparing kids raised by single mothers versus kids raised by windows whose husbands died for reasons not linked to irresponsible behavior.

Many social conservatives are pretty left leaning when it comes to genetic potential and are too quick to say that social dysfunction correlated to single motherhood is solely based on the upbringing rather than the genes.

 

[ShieldWife]

This is one of those tactics that works right up until the point it causes society to snap and everything backfires hard. This is also why their absolutely hysterical about anyone defending themselves because once shit starts snow balling it goes real bad for them for a real long time.

Absolutely, its a tactic that works for them but can by its very nature only work so long. Once you become too detached from reality, consequences kick in. I’m hoping it’s the crazy leftists who bear the brunt of those consequences and not society as a whole.

 

[LordsFire]

I guess that this is why the children of single parents who are conceived through sperm/egg donation fare so poorly then, eh? /s

That'd be part of it.

There's a lot of factors that go into successful or unsuccessful parenting, and what impact that has on the child. A couple of really important ones that require having two parents in the home to have at all are:

1. Modelling commitment. The parents staying together demonstrates that commitments should be kept.
2. Being a role model for what a person of that gender should be like.
3. Modelling appropriate treatment of the other gender, especially in romance. A husband puts his wife's needs first, the wife puts the husband's needs first, is the ideal. Both respect each other's judgement, but can question it without insecurity causing a fight. That's the ideal, but even just getting some of this is better than not at all. One of the key reasons why single parenthood tends to be intergenerational, is because when the child becomes an adult, they have little or no idea what a healthy romance should look like in the first place, so they're trying to learn from scratch, or worse from popular media, most of which is worse than useless, filling people's heads with things that aren't just improbable, but flat-out wrong.


Note that if a marriage is particularly toxic, then by how the couple mistreat each other, it can actually be worse than a single parent upbringing, but you have to go pretty far down the hole to get that bad. Also note that single parents who actively work to overcome the limitations they and their children are suffering under can mitigate a lot of this, through things like having the children around grandparents with a healthy marriage, friends with a healthy marriage, making sure that a babysitter, teacher, pastor/youth pastor or similar is providing the other gender role in their children's lives, etc.

It's possible to do a decent job as a single parent, but the same behavior patterns that usually lead to single parenthood, usually also mean that the individual is very unlikely to do the copious amounts of extra work to make up for the lack. And I haven't even mentioned all the practical disadvantages that most people are already aware of, such as only having one adult as caretaker and income provider, etc, etc.

The absolute best thing a single parent can do for their child, is to get married. Note that this is not a reasonable option for all individuals who find themselves in that place, but if they reasonably can, it's the best thing that they can do for the child or children.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

If you want to reduce the number of fatherless homes, then changing our child support laws back to what they were before the 1970s or so might be a good start in regards to this. Child support gives single women an incentive to raise children in fatherless homes, after all.

Incentivizing married families via tax breaks and maybe even a form of family exclusive UBI are also ways to add to that intop of what you're suggesting.

 

[ShieldWife]

The absolute best thing a single parent can do for their child, is to get married. Note that this is not a reasonable option for all individuals who find themselves in that place, but if they reasonably can, it's the best thing that they can do for the child or children.

Remarriage may not be the best thing. Statistics show that stepfathers are vastly more likely to abuse children than biological fathers, both sexual and non-sexual abuse. In fact, one of the many problems that children of single mothers have are caused by the mothers’ boyfriends or husbands.

 

[LordsFire]

Remarriage may not be the best thing. Statistics show that stepfathers are vastly more likely to abuse children than biological fathers, both sexual and non-sexual abuse. In fact, one of the many problems that children of single mothers have are caused by the mothers’ boyfriends or husbands.

Do I really need to say that you should never marry someone of poor character in the first place?

I would have thought that went without saying, which is why I said, 'if they reasonably can.' Because you don't want to marry if your options are not reasonable.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Remarriage may not be the best thing. Statistics show that stepfathers are vastly more likely to abuse children than biological fathers, both sexual and non-sexual abuse. In fact, one of the many problems that children of single mothers have are caused by the mothers’ boyfriends or husbands.

That is also because mothers tend to pimp their daughters and sons to step-dads because they're afraid of being abandoned.

 

[WolfBear]

I imagine that it’s a mix. Irresponsible people tend to have worse genes that they pass on to their kids, but growing up with just one parent certainly has a negative impact too. It’s both. A single mom, regardless of how wonderful she may be, is far more likely to have to rely on public schooling, TV, daycare, and otherwise be less involved in the upbringing of her children. Especially in the modern era where nuclear families are all the remain of the extended families that we used to rely on.

On the other hand, IQ is mostly genetic.

Maybe it could be studied: for example comparing kids raised by single mothers versus kids raised by windows whose husbands died for reasons not linked to irresponsible behavior.

Many social conservatives are pretty left leaning when it comes to genetic potential and are too quick to say that social dysfunction correlated to single motherhood is solely based on the upbringing rather than the genes.

Yeah, comparing kids raised by non-widowed single mothers to kids raised by widowed single mothers would certainly be a great study in regards to this.

 

[ShieldWife]

Do I really need to say that you should never marry someone of poor character in the first place?

I would have thought that went without saying, which is why I said, 'if they reasonably can.' Because you don't want to marry if your options are not reasonable.

Single mothers are very frequently single mothers because of their poor judgement in men or because of other moral failing that make finding the “good men” hard.

That is also because mothers tend to pimp their daughters and sons to step-dads because they're afraid of being abandoned.

Absolutely, single mothers aren’t just victims, they are often trash who abuse their children in horrible ways - including letting their boyfriends abuse their kids while they look the other way.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Remarriage may not be the best thing. Statistics show that stepfathers are vastly more likely to abuse children than biological fathers, both sexual and non-sexual abuse. In fact, one of the many problems that children of single mothers have are caused by the mothers’ boyfriends or husbands.

I'd like to see the math on that. "More likely" is not the same as "likely", after all. And if growing up with a step parent was even remotely close to being as bad for long term outcomes as growing up with a single parent, I feel like that's a thing I'd have heard of before now.





Now, getting back to the 6th.....the day's mostly out and to no one's surprise Manchin seems unimpressed by the dem's latest "let's blow up the filibuster to "save democracy" via this list of stuff we wanted to do anyway", so they wasted whatever chance they might have had today.

 

[ShieldWife]

I'd like to see the math on that. "More likely" is not the same as "likely", after all. And if growing up with a step parent was even remotely close to being as bad for long term outcomes as growing up with a single parent, I feel like that's a thing I'd have heard of before now.

Here is one study I found:

Spoiler

Analysis of interviews obtained from a random sample of 930 adult women in San Francisco revealed that 17% or one out of approximately every six women who had a stepfather as a principal figure in her childhood years, was sexually abused by him. The comparable figures for biological fathers were 2% or one out of approximately 40 women. In addition, when a distinction was made between Very Serious Sexual Abuse (including experiences ranging from forced penile-vaginal penetration to non-forceful attempted fellatio, cunnilingus , and anal intercourse) and other less serious forms, 47% of the cases of sexual abuse by stepfathers were at the Very Serious level of violation compared with 26% by biological fathers. Possible explanations for these starting discrepancies are discussed, and some of the implications for remarriage are considered.

 

[Cherico]

I'd like to see the math on that. "More likely" is not the same as "likely", after all. And if growing up with a step parent was even remotely close to being as bad for long term outcomes as growing up with a single parent, I feel like that's a thing I'd have heard of before now.

Now, getting back to the 6th.....the day's mostly out and to no one's surprise Manchin seems unimpressed by the dem's latest "let's blow up the filibuster to "save democracy" via this list of stuff we wanted to do anyway", so they wasted whatever chance they might have had today.

Manchin fully understands that blowing up the filibuster when they are holding the presidency during a failed economy, and an event that makes the fall of hanoi look good on top of having inflation and other issues is a bad idea because the republicans A- will get the house through redistricting alone. Two have a chance to seize both houses of congress because of all the shit.

That means that destroying the filibuster will blow up in their faces.

He's essentally trying to save them from themselves.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Jesus, i can't believe it's already been a year since this clownshow happened.