Is Taiwan getting invaded worth world war 3

aguy1013

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China invades taiwan either this year or next year

Is Taiwan important enough for World war 3 to happen yes or no
 

Zachowon

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China invades Taiwan either this year or next year

Is Taiwan important enough for World war 3 to happen yes or no
You are thinking way too early. Think 5 as the earliest, 10 the most likely, and 15 to 20 being the long term>

Everyone here and off knows I keep saying this. The likely hood of China invading Taiwan would be a last-ditch operation to gain national support, to make up for issues going on in their own country.

Though, if you are right I will be heavily involved in that war.

And, I think it will be a nonnuclear war. US and allies defending Taiwan. No invasion of China. It will cause the collapse of China in every possible way and would be the stupidest thing they could ever do.

@S'task We talked about this earlier as well.
 

aguy1013

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You are thinking way too early. Think 5 as the earliest, 10 the most likely, and 15 to 20 being the long term>

Everyone here and off knows I keep saying this. The likely hood of China invading Taiwan would be a last-ditch operation to gain national support, to make up for issues going on in their own country.

Though, if you are right I will be heavily involved in that war.

And, I think it will be a nonnuclear war. US and allies defending Taiwan. No invasion of China. It will cause the collapse of China in every possible way and would be the stupidest thing they could ever do.

@S'task We talked about this earlier as well.
Ok,but my question is it important enough to cause ww3 or is it nothing more then a match starting the powder keg
 

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There doesn't seem to be a reason for China to use nuclear weapons in a Taiwanese Invasion since China likely wouldnt want to invade an irradiated moonscape and Taiwan also has no nuclear weapons to threaten or respond with to escalate the conflict.

Plus I dont think Nuking China to protect Taiwan from conventional invasion is in the US interests in the foreseeable future.

Would be interesting to see who might fall onto whose side in the conflict and to what degree.
 

Free-Stater 101

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There doesn't seem to be a reason for China to use nuclear weapons in a Taiwanese Invasion since China likely wouldnt want to invade an irradiated moonscape and Taiwan also has no nuclear weapons to threaten or respond with to escalate the conflict.

Plus I dont think Nuking China to protect Taiwan from conventional invasion is in the US interests in the foreseeable future.

Would be interesting to see who might fall onto whose side in the conflict and to what degree.
It would probably degenerate into a limited conflict as the U.S. isn't going to invade the mainland and China doesn't have the capability to destroy the USN, same for nukes really. Neither side wants Taiwan itself destroyed and neither the U.S. not China have reason to truly go nuclear.
 

Terthna

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I can't see any member of the establishment wanting to go to war with China; not while they still think they can make a great deal of money off of their economy. At most, they'd just verbally condemn the invasion.
 

LindyAF

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Nuking China to protect a cricket from conventional stepping on would be in US interests.

It wouldn't be in the interests of those who determine US policy, which is what matters for what US policy would be.

Although I also don't see how it would be in interest of heritage America to expend our blood and treasure in order to protect a global empire openly hostile to us.
 

ATP

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China invades taiwan either this year or next year

Is Taiwan important enough for World war 3 to happen yes or no

China use economy to gain influence,and they think in generations.Why they should do it when democrats could destroy USA for them?after that,China would get everything without fight. war now would hurt them ,and they even could lost.Why take risk ?
War would be good decision only if democrats do not destroy USA,and some next Trump made his country stronger.
 

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No, it’s not worth WWIII. There are a lot of nations that China could invade or harass that wouldn’t be worth WWIII, which puts us into a hard situation. Where do we draw the line?

In all likelihood though, by the time China starts that sort of thing, the regime in charge of America wouldn’t lift a finger to stop China from invading Hawaii much less Taiwan.
 
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Zachowon

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No, it’s not worth WWIII. There are a lot of nations that China could invade or harass that wouldn’t be worth WWIII, which puts us into a hard situation. Where do we draw the line?

In all likelihood though, by the time China starts that sort of thing, the regime in charge of America wouldn’t lift a finger to stop China from invading Hawaii much less Taiwan.
Okay, that is wrong, because the military will step in and go against the people in charge is Hawaii was invaded, much less taiwan.


We have a pact withTaiwan to defend it should it come under attack from China.

If we break that pact, we lose faith in every alley in the pacific, perhaps even in Europe. We lose a lot of trading, a lot of things, all for what? To help China?

The military will not allow that
 

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The question is Taiwan worth WWIII and the correct answer morally is 'no' because nothing is worth bringing us towards nuclear war. The problem is though, is that if we are at the point where China is taking Taiwan by force everything is probably going to hell, with China that desperate whos to say Vietnam or Mongolia won't be next on the menu?
 

ShadowArxxy

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The whole China-Taiwan matter is. . . complicated, considering that Taiwan still officially argues that it's the rightful government of all China (to the point of refusing diplomatic relations with any country that recognizes China), and perhaps more important than these technicalities, was itself a horribly repressive dictatorship until almost the 1990s, and is still by all external indicators extremely rife with corruption and nepotism.

It's really not a *good* country even by strictly utilitarian standards, and the only reason the U.S. or anyone else gives it the time of day is to spite Communist China. So no, it's really not worth nuclear war; it's not a true ally, but a semi-useful pawn.
 

Zachowon

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The question is Taiwan worth WWIII and the correct answer morally is 'no' because nothing is worth bringing us towards nuclear war. The problem is though, is that if we are at the point where China is taking Taiwan by force everything is probably going to hell, with China that desperate whos to say Vietnam or Mongolia won't be next on the menu?
Exactly. It would be a last act gamble they have to take
 

ShadowArxxy

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I disagree -- there's a huge difference between invading a sovereign nation, and "invading" a rogue province which itself still officially calls itself a province of China, and maintains a pretense of being the rightful government of all China.

Taiwan may be de facto a separate nation, but they themselves refuse to act as one even on paper.
 

Sārthākā

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I disagree -- there's a huge difference between invading a sovereign nation, and "invading" a rogue province which itself still officially calls itself a province of China, and maintains a pretense of being the rightful government of all China.

Taiwan may be de facto a separate nation, but they themselves refuse to act as one even on paper.
to add on to this, technically, Taiwan is a province in rebellion, like the CSA was, and China has the right on paper to invade and restore governmental authority anytime.
 

Zachowon

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I disagree -- there's a huge difference between invading a sovereign nation, and "invading" a rogue province which itself still officially calls itself a province of China, and maintains a pretense of being the rightful government of all China.

Taiwan may be de facto a separate nation, but they themselves refuse to act as one even on paper.
to add on to this, technically, Taiwan is a province in rebellion, like the CSA was, and China has the right on paper to invade and restore governmental authority anytime.
Except, then foreign nations like the US, South korea, and Japan consider Taiwan to be a separate nation. In their eyes it is invasion of a foreign nation, and no way gives China the right to do it
 

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I disagree -- there's a huge difference between invading a sovereign nation, and "invading" a rogue province which itself still officially calls itself a province of China, and maintains a pretense of being the rightful government of all China.

Taiwan may be de facto a separate nation, but they themselves refuse to act as one even on paper.
That's unfair, as everybody knows that Taiwan is in a position where it couldn't declare itself independent if it wanted to over PRC threats.

Taiwan independence movement - Wikipedia

Their has even been several polls in which a majority of the people on Taiwan want independence and furthermore 55% say they would fight for Taiwan if they declared such and the PRC invaded. The ROC hasn't had any pretenses of taking the leading reigns in China for awhile now, and only keep them up because declaring their independence will start a war.

So saying they refuse to act like a 'proper nation' is a presumptuous statement to make because it ignores political realities that make it impossible for Taiwan to do so and furthermore shifts blame completely on them.

And the above doesn't in the slightest disprove my words on Mongolia and Vietnam the former of which was a part of China historically before 1900 and Vietnam a country which China has held as a vassal in the past and tried to re-vassalize as late as the late 70's on that flimsy justification. (With getting rid of Soviet influence as a priority of course.)
It's really not a *good* country even by strictly utilitarian standards, and the only reason the U.S. or anyone else gives it the time of day is to spite Communist China. So no, it's really not worth nuclear war; it's not a true ally, but a semi-useful pawn.
That's a silly assertion as only a fool would make Taiwan out to be a great power, and yet they aren't a banana republic either or a Central African dictatorship either with no use, they have an economy larger than Poland and Turkey and still that doesn't change the fact that by act of congress the U.S. is obligated to it's defense regardless.
 
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