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Well, to be honest, I think that, other than possibly the Leftism, Hindus and East Asians (Chinese, et cetera) in places such as Britain make good, productive citizens. I'm eager to welcome new, productive citizens even if they are of different races.
The problem is, productive =/= loyal and culturally assimilated. The Hindu elites as shown recently in UK's politics are a good case study of that. You get internationalists, plain and simple, who care about the nationals no more, and sometimes less than people on other continents.
As such, in a perfect world, even productive immigrants should not be considered citizens so easily. Productive? Give them permanent residence rights, sure, but that alone doesn't mean they should be expected to be loyal and vote for the interests of the country.
The exotic foods is a bonus, though. I do think that the demand for exotic restaurants goes up when there are more minorities in particular places since it is initially them who are demanding this food and only later natives find out about it and often become interested in it. This is why Chinese food in Israel is relatively crappy, for instance. Specifically because Israel has almost no Chinese people.
Demand for restaurants, exotic or otherwise, rises with economic prosperity and comfort of general population above all. If they can't afford to go to restaurants often or have to worry about getting robbed while doing so, naturally they won't.
As for Israel, it's a country with high tax burden, expensive real estate and is a net food import when it comes to ingredients, plus a culture of haggling and other Arab influences. Of course corners are cut wherever one can get away with it.
On the other hand, there is the observation that in many countries, especially Western Europe and East Asia, McDonalds tastes better than in America, and it's staffed by locals, not Americans. Local agriculture and food standards absolutely make a difference. And if said ingredients have to spend weeks in a hopefully refrigerated container on a ship, truck, port, whatever, crossing half the world, that also makes a difference, and definitely not a positive one. Funny how the "food argument" is never turned around for immigration of westerners to non-western countries.
I do completely agree with you about the First World's need to fix its own demographics. White people (including Ashkenazi Jews) have accomplished a lot throughout history (just look at Charles Murray's book Human Accomplishment) and thus it would be nice to have more of them. I also think that white people are extraordinarily beautiful in terms of appearance and that, for instance, non-white people with more white ancestry often look better than those with less of it. Mixed-race Hannah John-Kamen is prettier than women of exclusively Sub-Saharan African descent, for instance.
Also a tendentially turned argument. It's a matter of many times controversial polls that black women are statistically considered the least attractive, so of course the most attractive (actress!) of mixed race ones will look great by that baseline.
 
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@WolfBear , why the fuck are you so fucking obsessed with immigration anyway?
Well, I myself am an immigrant to the US.

The problem is, productive =/= loyal and culturally assimilated. The Hindu elites as shown recently in UK's politics are a good case study of that. You get internationalists, plain and simple, who care about the nationals no more, and sometimes less than people on other continents.
As such, in a perfect world, even productive immigrants should not be considered citizens so easily. Productive? Give them permanent residence rights, sure, but that alone doesn't mean they should be expected to be loyal and vote for the interests of the country.
Sure, they can get a long waiting period before they can vote. Even 20 years if necessary.

Demand for restaurants, exotic or otherwise, rises with economic prosperity and comfort of general population above all. If they can't afford to go to restaurants often or have to worry about getting robbed while doing so, naturally they won't.
As for Israel, it's a country with high tax burden, expensive real estate and is a net food import when it comes to ingredients, plus a culture of haggling and other Arab influences. Of course corners are cut wherever one can get away with it.
On the other hand, there is the observation that in many countries, especially Western Europe and East Asia, McDonalds tastes better than in America, and it's staffed by locals, not Americans. Local agriculture and food standards absolutely make a difference. And if said ingredients have to spend weeks in a hopefully refrigerated container on a ship, truck, port, whatever, crossing half the world, that also makes a difference, and definitely not a positive one. Funny how the "food argument" is never turned around for immigration of westerners to non-western countries.
Actually, I do think that Westerners should ideally move to non-Western countries in order to improve these countries. The problem is that the West has few-to-no people to spare for this task at this particular moment. If the West was breeding much more, though, then the situation might be different. And I don't view colonialism as completely evil for the developing world but rather a mixed bag considering just how badly many Third Worlders actually want to live under white rule even nowadays.

And re: McDonald's: It's the same company in charge of the restaurants in the US and in Europe, no? So, I presume that they easily know what they need to find in Europe in order to make their food taste good. But AFAIK, there are no huge Third World restaurant brands in the developed world other than Jollibee, which is Filipino:



Generally, the big ethnic restaurants in the West were created by Westerners themselves, or by non-Westerners who or whose ancestors moved to the West: Panda Express, Del Taco, Taco Bell, et cetera.

Also a tendentially turned argument. It's a matter of many times controversial polls that black women are statistically considered the least attractive, so of course the most attractive (actress!) of mixed race ones will look great by that baseline.
Well, this might be correct, unfortunately. This would, of course, also mean that Asian women are the most attractive in most people's view, but I myself personally still prefer white women to Asian women.
 

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Are we talking about just Europe? Anyway I would support more immigration as long as the immigrants are conservative so I'm actually ok with muslim immigration especially to places like England or the Nordics. Less so for France or Italy.
 

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Well, I myself am an immigrant to the US.



Sure, they can get a long waiting period before they can vote. Even 20 years if necessary.
I'm thinking more few generations than 20 years, with intermarriage with a native as the only workaround to shorten it.

Actually, I do think that Westerners should ideally move to non-Western countries in order to improve these countries.
Except these countries would rather not be improved than be ruled by a foreign elite.
That's what the whole decolonization was about in many of their cases.
The problem is that the West has few-to-no people to spare for this task at this particular moment. If the West was breeding much more, though, then the situation might be different. And I don't view colonialism as completely evil for the developing world but rather a mixed bag considering just how badly many Third Worlders actually want to live under white rule even nowadays.
Oh but the West has plenty of spare people of just the right profession. Plenty of bureaucrats around, doing useless make-work at best, outright harmful industrial red tape production at worst. Coincidentally they even care more about various third world peoples than their own. Why aren't they going there, to share their great thinking with them?
If the bulk of diversity officers, equality managers, environmental NGO managers and the like moved to the third world, everyone would be better off.
Well, this might be correct, unfortunately. This would, of course, also mean that Asian women are the most attractive in most people's view, but I myself personally still prefer white women to Asian women.
If you correct for America's fat and feminism problems they rank pretty similar.
 

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I'm thinking more few generations than 20 years, with intermarriage with a native as the only workaround to shorten it.


Except these countries would rather not be improved than be ruled by a foreign elite.
That's what the whole decolonization was about in many of their cases.

Oh but the West has plenty of spare people of just the right profession. Plenty of bureaucrats around, doing useless make-work at best, outright harmful industrial red tape production at worst. Coincidentally they even care more about various third world peoples than their own. Why aren't they going there, to share their great thinking with them?
If the bulk of diversity officers, equality managers, environmental NGO managers and the like moved to the third world, everyone would be better off.

If you correct for America's fat and feminism problems they rank pretty similar.
Second-generation good enough?

Except many of their people subsequently want to move to the West rather than to be ruled by their own countrymen or even by other, less bad Third Worlders.

Oh, certainly. Stop paying useless diversiecrats $375,000 annual salaries and thus motivate them to move to the Third World, where they could actually be useful as opposed to being useless leeches here in the West. No offense, but their jobs are literally worthless here in the West and their salaries could be spent on more useful things, such as--in the college/university example--giving adjuncts much higher salaries. Adjuncts actually deserve this extra money, after all.

Possibly.
 

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Second-generation good enough?

Except many of their people subsequently want to move to the West rather than to be ruled by their own countrymen or even by other, less bad Third Worlders.
In the end, money talks, and they do get a lot of money out of going there, one way or another.
Obviously though it's not the rulers migrating, it's often the people who wish they were the rulers and could shit on the rest but aren't and so they are shat upon by those who are.
Oh, certainly. Stop paying useless diversiecrats $375,000 annual salaries and thus motivate them to move to the Third World, where they could actually be useful as opposed to being useless leeches here in the West. No offense, but their jobs are literally worthless here in the West and their salaries could be spent on more useful things, such as--in the college/university example--giving adjuncts much higher salaries. Adjuncts actually deserve this extra money, after all.

Possibly.
It's either them not being wanted and the process being too much like colonialism for their liking, or the silent realization that they could get stoned if they ever start talking about the rainbow flag.
 
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In the end, money talks, and they do get a lot of money out of going there, one way or another.
Obviously though it's not the rulers migrating, it's often the people who wish they were the rules and could shit on the rest but aren't and so they are shat upon by those who are.

It's either them not being wanted and the process being too much like colonialism for their liking, or the silent realization that they could get stoned if they ever start talking about the rainbow flag.
Yeah, it's quite interesting: Immigration can be a way for countries to get talent from other countries, but it can also be used as a tool for countries to export their own potential troublemakers to other countries. Assad with Sunni Arab Syrians, for instance. Or the Russian Empire with its Jews.

Yeah, unfortunately the Third World is way too Based in regards to LGBTQ+ rights. Religious homophobia is very sad, honestly. Just so long as there isn't an STD epidemic, then who cares, right? Why bother opposing their relationship or marriage? Less competition for women for you if you're a straight man, after all!
 

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Reverse colonialism, Yes. Instead of the West moving to the Third World, the Third World is moving to the West.
No, reverse colonialism would be the Natives taking back over. This is just colonialism. These people are not coming here to become Americans, they are just setting up their own little colonies, and when they gain enough of a majority they do their best to turn it into their homeland.
 
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No, reverse colonialism would be the Natives taking back over. This is just colonialism. These people are not coming here to become Americans, they are just setting up their own little colonies, and when they gain enough of a majority they do their best to turn it into their homeland.
the tragic thing is it didn't always used to be that way.
 

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Are we talking about just Europe? Anyway I would support more immigration as long as the immigrants are conservative so I'm actually ok with muslim immigration especially to places like England or the Nordics. Less so for France or Italy.
They're not the kind of conservatives that you would actually want, most likely. Christian and Jewish conservatives don't support murdering/executing people for apostasy, for instance. Or for drawing offensive religious cartoons.
 

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They're not the kind of conservatives that you would actually want, most likely. Christian and Jewish conservatives don't support murdering/executing people for apostasy, for instance. Or for drawing offensive religious cartoons.
Western Conservatives and Muslim Conservatives are allies in the sense that the United States and the Soviet Union were "allies" in WW2.

IE not long term
 

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They're not the kind of conservatives that you would actually want, most likely. Christian and Jewish conservatives don't support murdering/executing people for apostasy, for instance. Or for drawing offensive religious cartoons.
Umm you have opened history books right? That stuff has been done before by Christians things like Inquisitions. While I don't support it going quite that far, I do think that it's better than tranny story time.
 
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