Immigration and multiculturalism news
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DarthOne
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American describes his town after ICE raids
"In one week I have seen in my city, black men power washing parking lots. Black men doing roofing work, black men doing lawn services around businesses. In my city, things are starting to look like the old days again"
it should be noted for posterity that the guy saying this is himself black. Because I can foresee people having 'fun' taking this out of context.
Skitzyfrenic
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Wow, it's almost like the exploitative hiring of illegal immigrants is bad for the native minorities. And that with that finished for a while, the native minorities can have a resurgence in honest economic activity and employment. Thus digging themselves out of poverty.
Golly gee, Batman, it's like this happens every time.
SoliFortissimi
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Ask this race baiting idiot why these black men weren't getting those jobs before they arrested the competition. Ask him. See if he dares tell you the truth.
And now think about the financial suffering of the people who are hiring these workers, and the suffering of the consumers that will soon have to pay 10-20% higher prices for goods.
MarkWarrior
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Why are you such a big proponent of slavery still existing? That's essentially what you're advocating for by pushing the narrative that Illegal immigrants are required for that sort of work.
And now think about the additional welfare and policing spending caused by allowing these people to be hired and suffering of taxpayers having to pay for it.
SoliFortissimi
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If believing that helps you sleep at night after spreading this propaganda...
10% higher prices to lift the black community out of poverty and give them honest jobs that pay honest money?
Honestly we've been forced to pay worse deals then that.
Morphic Tide
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There's these things called "minimum wage", "workers' rights", and "regulatory compliance" that make local citizens cost more than illegal immigrants. The first can probably get bent because very few jobs actually collide with it, but the second and especially third have quite the long trail of blood and externality costs associated with them.
The payment circulating inside the community instead of being sucked away by remittances will more than make up for the spot-price of the sale. An economic quirk that also goes for trade balance.
SoliFortissimi
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It won't lift them out of poverty, there's just not that much money going around.
What community?
mrttao
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facepalm.
reading fail.
it is "10% higher prices at the store" (allegedly) in EXCHANGE for blacks having JOBS instead of all the jobs going to illegal slave labor.
the reason for the 10% higher prices is that store owners no longer have slave labor and have to hire legal citizens.
SoliFortissimi
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I refuse to talk to someone who uses such blatantly false rhetorical tricks.
It's not slave labor, and you wouldn't care if it was.
Morphic Tide
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The one corresponding to the strongly overlapping geographic constraints of worker commutes and customer access. When you remove the widely-traveled and self-segregating immigrant labor pool, you see a lot more cases of jobs in proximity to eachother having workers of one be customers of the other and vice-versa, which given a few years soon comes to be reciprocal business relationships between people familiar with eachother before their jobs that can recommend it in natural conversation.
Due to the increase in geographic constraint in participants, you also see a reduction in going to large businesses with widespread locations due to familiarity from elsewhere. This significantly lowers the floor for starting up small businesses, particularly when the socioeconomic bond overlaps see workers in related jobs pool their skills for the founding thereof.
The giant-ass sword of Damocles that is threatening ICE reports is a hell of a lot closer to slave labor than any remotely normal market participation. Highlighting that they are in fact significantly coerced is a valid counterpoint to "but the market!", because it creates a rather considerable distortion.
Man, you know the Republican Party was literally founded by people that opposed slavery almost entirely because of unfair competition with free labor. The mainstream position was indeed mass deportation of blacks.
So it's pretty hilarious to think it's some gotcha to think the other side has to care about the people being enslaved to oppose their slavery purely on personal economic grounds.
mrttao
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It is not a rhetorical trick.
illegals are, well, illegal
Which makes them rightly scared of going to the police to report crimes against them.
There are countless stories and examples of horrific abuse of illegal workers. Both by bosses and by the cartels that trafficked them.
The bosses abuse them via:
1. they are paid much less. often less than minimum wage
2. they are not given their legally due healthcare and retirement benefits.
3. they are often forced to do unpaid overtime.
4. they are forced to work in unsafe conditions. (you want a mask when working with toxic materials? too bad. that costs money)
5. they sometimes have their tips stolen
6. there are cases of sexual exploitation
all the while the boss threatens them with deportation if they tell anyone what the boss is doing to them.
the cartels are even worse.
it is well documented fact that once the cartels smuggle someone to the usa they don't just leave them alone.
the cartels are constantly blackmailing them for money, sex, or assistance in crime (move drugs around, etc)
Remember, Mayor Mike Johnson talked about being willing to force Trump to re-enact Tienanmen Square if he wanted to push Federal forces into Denver to deal with the illegal immigration/cartel gang problem.
Dems also view CO as a safe blue state now, and do not fear losing power locally, so they are more willing to say dumb shit and do dumb shit that is against Federal law and the US Constitution, because doing so won't cost them elections, and so far arresting politican actors who are violating Federal law and the US Constitution is a very slow going and barely happening process, even when the crimes are well documented and effectively out in the open.