If there is no Chinese intervention in the Korean War, how are Vietnam War(s) affected later?

[Airedale260]

A protracted civil war in China is the most likely reason, but I’d also point out that that could be a rationale for the U.S. actually throwing stronger support behind Jiang/Chiang. Neither Stalin or any of the Chinese leadership would be happy about a U.S. presence directly on their borders, so honestly the most likely PoD is that Stalin actually keeps Kim on a tight leash out of concern of him provoking the U.S. (say that Acheson doesn’t screw the pooch and includes South Korea in the U.S.’ security/defensive perimeter in public). Or the Japanese surrender right after Hiroshima before the Soviets can officially enter the war.

The thing is, if the Chinese are tied down and unable to intervene (to say nothing of the U.S. going ‘fuck it’ and reinforcing the Nationalists directly) then they might actually balk at supporting North Vietnam when the time comes. Well, Mao might not but OTOH, the PVA/PLA was in absolute tatters by the time of the Korean War, and really only improved once they’d found out (much like the Soviets) that fighting a conventional war commanded by political commissars was a BAD FUCKING IDEA. Bonus points for them finding that out the hard way.

I would honestly expect that if China doesn’t intervene in Korea, then the U.S. might not be so quick to react to the potential of another Communist invasion. Especially if there’s a unified ROK on the peninsula AND a Nationalist presence on more than just Taiwan.

Of course, an aggressive move against Hanoi if they invade and the Chinese invading then would have serious negative consequences for everyone. If the PRC is still holding all of the mainland, they’ll be even twitchier about the U.S. trying to set up shop on their southern border and might escalate further, in which case we are all fucked given that the Chinese have nukes at this point. And the Sino-Soviet split is probably different (assuming it happens); China is likely to look poorly upon American containment efforts.

 

[ATP]

You missed the point. If the US triggers a war which sees most of Europe and Asia devastated by nuclear weapons then its lost a hell of a lot of its best customers. Not to mention the allies that help secure stability across much of the world. So their depopulated much of the world and pulled the rest into chaos as well as making themselves widely despised for their stupidity and rashness. Not to mention the anger than many/most people in the US will feel about such insanity.

Your also factually inaccurate as Stalin, while often brutal wasn't the genocidal maniac that Hitler.

Your simplistic viewpoint is the sort that would only occur to a total fanatic, that they would rather kill anyone who might ever be a potential opponent regardless of the advantages of actually working with others for mutual benefit.

Nope,you missed the point.

In 1956 USA should support Hungary,becouse soviets promised free elections there and USA quaranteed that.If soviet started war,then they and only they would be responsible for all loses.
So,USA would not be blamed when soviets start dropping H bombs first.

Sralin genocided more people then Hitler,but for the same reasons - creating paradise on Earth.

And soviet vievpoint was simpilcid indeed - either take entire Eart and create world Paradise,or burn it.We survived only becouse in 1985 there was no more belivers in soviet Politbiuro.

And from WASP point of viev - and USA in 1956 was ruled by them - burning people who was not WASP was regretable,but not really important.For that same reason they gave Poland to soviets in 1945 - there are some kind of lesser people,so we do not care if Sralin kill them all.
So,there would be little protest in USA over that.

 

[stevep]

Nope,you missed the point.

In 1956 USA should support Hungary,becouse soviets promised free elections there and USA quaranteed that.If soviet started war,then they and only they would be responsible for all loses.
So,USA would not be blamed when soviets start dropping H bombs first.

Sralin genocided more people then Hitler,but for the same reasons - creating paradise on Earth.

And soviet vievpoint was simpilcid indeed - either take entire Eart and create world Paradise,or burn it.We survived only becouse in 1985 there was no more belivers in soviet Politbiuro.

And from WASP point of viev - and USA in 1956 was ruled by them - burning people who was not WASP was regretable,but not really important.For that same reason they gave Poland to soviets in 1945 - there are some kind of lesser people,so we do not care if Sralin kill them all.
So,there would be little protest in USA over that.

Your so obcessed with your hatred and bigotry you simply can't understand that other people have different values to you. No further point in discussion here.

 

[ATP]

Your so obcessed with your hatred and bigotry you simply can't understand that other people have different values to you. No further point in discussion here.

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Hatred ? bigotry? i only stated the facts - that USA gave us for nothing to soviets,and Sralin could genocide us - but murdered only 200.000.
That USA could use invasion on Hungary in 1956 as pretext to burn soviets when they could not burn USA.
And that american presidents had duty to USA,not world - which mean destroing soviet state before it would be capable of destroing USA.Which would happen - if soviet leaders still belived in their religion.

But,back to topic - without China intervention we have united Korea,two Vietnams,free Hungary or/if soviet start war in 1956/ burned soviets and West Europe.Which for USA interests would be best.
No commie Cuba and most of African countries,too.