I get to conquer the Federation (SW and ST Crossover/SI)

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
But...what if you could keep your elite shock trooper patterns in the buffer and just spit them out when ever/where ever you need them?
Unless you can get Scotty or Miles O'Brien to help you...and given how the Empire would had killed a fair few of their friends by now that's unlikely, you'd probably end up with your elite shock troopers as jelly
 
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liberty90

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I wonder, as the Empire is not shackled by the prime directive, would it conquer various primitive planets that seems to be quite common in the Star Trek galaxy? Easy, fast, and nice conquests, practically entertainment and fun.
 

The Whispering Monk

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I wonder, as the Empire is not shackled by the prime directive, would it conquer various primitive planets that seems to be quite common in the Star Trek galaxy? Easy, fast, and nice conquests, practically entertainment and fun.

If there's a reason. Mineral wealth or strategic location would all qualify a planet for conquest. Imagine if they found a planet that bacta could thrive on.

I could also see Army and Storm Trooper Commanders using small population planets as 'training grounds' for larger operations.
 

liberty90

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If there's a reason. Mineral wealth or strategic location would all qualify a planet for conquest. Imagine if they found a planet that bacta could thrive on.

I could also see Army and Storm Trooper Commanders using small population planets as 'training grounds' for larger operations.

Uncontacted and unused primitives inside of Imperial space are like something that would taste badly to me. Like, a pirate group or future enemies (less stupid than the Federation, obviously) could as well conquer these and use them as a base.
 

Jaenera Targaryen

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I wonder, as the Empire is not shackled by the prime directive, would it conquer various primitive planets that seems to be quite common in the Star Trek galaxy? Easy, fast, and nice conquests, practically entertainment and fun.

Seeing as the Empire is content to let the Tuskens and Jawas run wild, probably not. Even if there's something of value on the planet, the Empire's likely to limit itself to securing said valuable whatever, and bring in either droids or political prisoners gulag-style to work it. That, or they let a corporation handle it, and who might actually be worse than the Empire.
 

TimeDiver

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Jaenera Targaryen

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To be fair, Star Wars' own Ancient Aliens messed around a bit too. It's implied that a possible reason that the Force is divided into Light and Dark is because two of the last Celestials, the Daughter and the Son, disobeyed the Father and bathed in the Pool of Knowledge and drank from the Font of Power, respectively. This transformed them into fundamentally-opposed yet codependent embodiments of Light and Dark, where before the Father embodied both and wielded them in balance. Ever since then the Father had to keep them from destroying each and the galaxy, with the struggles between lightsiders and darksiders over millions of years (yes, the SW galaxy is that old, the mythos we're used to seeing is just the latest iteration of a cycle) reflecting the Daughter and the Son's battle with each other.

Then there's the pseudo-Celestial Abeloth, the Bringer of Chaos, and the reason the SW galaxy is cyclic in the first place. Usually imprisoned behind the Maw Cluster of Black Holes, every once in a while she slips out whenever someone uses the Force to travel through time. She then causes chaos and ruin, essentially bringing galactic civilization down, and forcing the Daughter and the Son to work together to restrain and then imprison her until the next time someone lets her out again.

Making this system worse is that killing the embodiments of the Force won't even come close to solving the mess they made of things. It just makes it worse, something Luke concluded was the fault of his father. Yeah, thanks a lot, Anakin 'MOST POWERFUL JEDI EVAH' Skywalker. He was supposed to take the dying Father's place, and balance Light and Darkness, but no. He had to go Padme this, Padme that...

...anyway, killing the embodiments of the Force just causes the Force to find new embodiments to empower, in the form of the post-Clone Wars Jedi and Sith.

TLDR: In a way, Star Trek's Precursors while making their galaxy weird, at least didn't mess it up on a spiritual and metaphysical level compared to Star Wars' Precursors.
 
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Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Seriously how many problems would the Galaxy not have had if Padme had taken a blaster bolt during the Battle of Naboo? Sure Luke and Leia probably wouldn't have born(or not Anakin was impulsive and I'm not putting it past him to do a one night stand with someone else maybe another Senator like say Mon Mothma) but that probably would have been worth it if Anakin had replaced the Father. Plus honestly any decent Jedi could have done what Luke did at Yavin and without Vader being around a lot more of them would survive to that point with many of them probably joining the Rebellion. Honestly at that point all you have to do to lead to the end of the Empire is to pull what Cham Syndulla did and ambush the ship the Emperor is traveling on but do it with a fleet and not a scratch force of whatever Cham managed to salvage
 
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TimeDiver

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Warning: semi-incoherent dead-of-the-night/early-morning rant follows!

Seriously how many problems would the Galaxy not have had if Padme had taken a blaster bolt during the Battle of Naboo?
I tend to go back MUCH further (in Legends):

What if the Exile had talked Kreia out of "Let's kill the Force with a repeat of the Mass Shadow Generator at Malachor V, but galaxy-wide; only a few* will survive, unfortunately, but such is the price of true freedom", but actually went with a 'slowly poison the Force, wean as many sapients off it as possible' route?

...yes, I tend to agree with Kreia that the fucking Force is ultimately responsible for the never-ending cycles of inevitably galactic-scale conflicts that (relatively) localized brush wars can oh-so-easily escalate to, once Force wielders really get involved.

And yeah, that outcome would remove the mysticism aspects of Star Wars that many, many fans are die-hard adherents of; me, I don't particularly care for science fantasy, so I could care less if the fancy space magic wielders were no longer a thing.

Oh, well...

* - A.K.A. Near-literal omnicide; as Meetra Surik was a near-impossible / miraculous case of survival of being subjected to Force Sever, what does that say about 'lesser' / more average (typical) examples of sapient life?
 

Sixgun McGurk

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The Empire is the Human Empire and Earth will be fine. In fact, plenty of people will heave a sigh of relief to see the many aliens go away. Its the Vulcans that are really in the shit here. The Empire will hate their pernicious anti-Imperial ideology.

They have little in the way of population so its likely that their best hope is to surrender at once in the hope that they will be be allowed to withdraw and become a harmless if poor-looking autarky, just another sparsely inhabited desert planet bowing to the Emperor on demand, of little interest or influence beyond their atmosphere. Perhaps they can wait the Empire out and not be lumped in with the Romulans when their turn for oblivion comes.
 

Yinko

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Oh. I was honestly unaware about this little bit of lore. Now, these literally Ancient Aliens explain so much, indeed o . O
If I remember correctly there was already an Ancient Aliens thing going on.
And I think there was another one as well that used a musical language, can't find the reference to it though.
 

Jaenera Targaryen

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The Empire is the Human Empire and Earth will be fine. In fact, plenty of people will heave a sigh of relief to see the many aliens go away. Its the Vulcans that are really in the shit here. The Empire will hate their pernicious anti-Imperial ideology.

Mostly true, though at least two near-Human species were exempt from the Humanocentrist ideology imposed by COMPNOR: the Chiss and the Arkanians. The latter were even the ones controlling the Imperial bioweapons program (yeah, Section 31 can go ahead and go biowar on the Empire, cue the Empire unleashing plagues the likes of which they've never seen before in retaliation), and were so reviled for it that the New Republic barred Arkania from membership.

Even more fun here though is that the Arkanians are master of genetic engineering. More so than Humanity's own Augments, in fact. They didn't just enhance their abilities, they also created entire sub-species from the Arkanian baseline. Not only that, there are a number of Arkanian biotech firms that offer genetic services on demand.

Isn't capitalism grand? They don't get any screen time or much mention at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were gene-tailored Humans running around in the Star Wars galaxy, and nobody really cares, whether Human or not.

One of them is even in the high command of the expeditionary force.

They have little in the way of population so its likely that their best hope is to surrender at once in the hope that they will be be allowed to withdraw and become a harmless if poor-looking autarky, just another sparsely inhabited desert planet bowing to the Emperor on demand, of little interest or influence beyond their atmosphere. Perhaps they can wait the Empire out and not be lumped in with the Romulans when their turn for oblivion comes.

Yeah, the Imperial Humans have no need nor desire for their 'enlightened' tutelage.
 

Sixgun McGurk

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Mostly true, though at least two near-Human species were exempt from the Humanocentrist ideology imposed by COMPNOR: the Chiss and the Arkanians. The latter were even the ones controlling the Imperial bioweapons program (yeah, Section 31 can go ahead and go biowar on the Empire, cue the Empire unleashing plagues the likes of which they've never seen before in retaliation), and were so reviled for it that the New Republic barred Arkania from membership.

Even more fun here though is that the Arkanians are master of genetic engineering. More so than Humanity's own Augments, in fact. They didn't just enhance their abilities, they also created entire sub-species from the Arkanian baseline. Not only that, there are a number of Arkanian biotech firms that offer genetic services on demand.

Isn't capitalism grand? They don't get any screen time or much mention at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were gene-tailored Humans running around in the Star Wars galaxy, and nobody really cares, whether Human or not.

One of them is even in the high command of the expeditionary force.



Yeah, the Imperial Humans have no need nor desire for their 'enlightened' tutelage.

I doubt if the Vulcans would hang in there with the Federation very long either. They bailed at every previous occasion when there was a clear advantage in doing so and logic would be telling them to bet on the Empire this time. All that the Admiral really has to do is suggest that a garrison will be established, certain levels of military support, production or taxation will have to be met and that otherwise, they will be left to do their emotionless naval gazing on their too hot unhospitable world all alone.
 

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