Versus Match How would a fight between Emperor of Mankind and 616 Magneto go?

Tyzuris

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So how would a fight between these two individuals go? How would them knowing each other's capabilities affect the battle?
 

Husky_Khan

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Magneto's helmet would likely provide night immunity to psyker attacks that affect the mind as per traditional telepathy but everything else would still affect him as so. Magneto can affect super materials such as Adamantium obviously, but cannot reshape the properties of something mystically enchanted such as Thor's Uru hammer Mjolnir. In a very old comic, he was able to redirect the hammer back to Thor and in AvX he was able to block the hammer throws, but in the latter case it's not really manipulating the metal.

But that would mean the Emperor would be in for a bad time if Magneto can manipulate whatever armor or gear the Emperor would be wearing unless it has some sort of powerful magical or mystical enchantments (in which case his abilities would be limited most likely instead of useless). Emperor is obviously the physical superior many times over Magneto but the Mutant has faced those types many, many times before.

The fact the Emperor knows Magneto's powers ahead of time would allow him some preptime, but same with Magneto I suppose. So Magneto would probably still have lots of metal around even if the Emperor shows up wearing something that cannot be manipulated by the mutants mastery of the magnetic field manipulation. The Emperor would have to withstand quite the barrage of metal (but that's been done before) and then give a proper stomping to Magneto when he gets in close.

With lack of knowledge, I'd give Magneto a clear advantage. With more preparation time, it'd scale into the Emperor's favor the more knowledge and preparation the two get. Magneto is smart but he's just a (mutant) man with one very versatile mutant power, manipulating magnetism, but which can be overcome with proper amount of brains and prep. And the Emperor seems like a generally smart and capable chap.

For example... if this was a Reed Richards or Dr. Strange or Dr. Doom versus Magneto type of versus, I'd choose the former almost every time with some amount of prep. The Emperor might not have as much raw knowledge as those intellectual superheroes but he's vaguely in the same ballpark and has his impressive superhuman abilities to boot.
 

mrttao

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Telepathic Resistance/Immunity: The helmet protects its wearer from all but the strongest or most unexpected of telepathic attacks. This is achieved due to technology wired into the helmet itself.
magneto's helmet in Earth-616 is explicitly limited and cannot block the strongest attacks. Seeing as the emperor is an alpha-plus psyker he should count and be able to brute force it

Also, the emperor's telekinesis should be able to contest and even overpower magnetos control over metal. Keep in mind the emperor defeated a c'tan in single combat before.

If necessary the emperor can fight smart by just teleporting far beyond magnetos reach, using future sight to wait until magneto is asleep, then teleport next to his sleeping for and capture him. As the emperor is able to just forgo sleep entirely.

Magneto is immensely powerful for a mortal. But he is outclassed by the emperor, and also is a one trick pony.
 

Lanmandragon

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GEOM is still human with blood right? Assuming so if he can't kill Eric fast he's screwed. As Eric can and will simply pull all the itom out of his blood. Causing tensof thousands of wounds almost instantly. I doubt even the GEOM can handle that.
As for fighting ctan well hadn't magneto fought Galactus? I think he has and frankly galuctus *****on anything in 40k.
 

CarlManvers2019

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GEOM is still human with blood right? Assuming so if he can't kill Eric fast he's screwed. As Eric can and will simply pull all the itom out of his blood. Causing tensof thousands of wounds almost instantly. I doubt even the GEOM can handle that.
As for fighting ctan well hadn't magneto fought Galactus? I think he has and frankly galuctus *****on anything in 40k.

What makes guys like Magneto and others immune to things like being telekinetically thrown around or say, pyrokinesis being used to create a fire INSIDE a persons body rather than throwing said fire at the person
 

mrttao

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What makes guys like Magneto and others immune to things like being telekinetically thrown around or say, pyrokinesis being used to create a fire INSIDE a persons body rather than throwing said fire at the person
Nothing, magneto has literally zero defenses against ANY of the many many many methods of attack emps can make
GEOM is still human with blood right? Assuming so if he can't kill Eric fast he's screwed. As Eric can and will simply pull all the itom out of his blood. Causing tensof thousands of wounds almost instantly. I doubt even the GEOM can handle that.
As for fighting ctan well hadn't magneto fought Galactus? I think he has and frankly galuctus *****on anything in 40k.
1. magneto can't actually do that. the breakout scene is one where his minions injected the guard with a bunch of iron, not him ripping it out of the blood.
2. emps is an alpha plus psyker. he can just directly counteract such attacks, actually he could do the same to magneto and is also vastly faster.
3. emps is not "just a human with blood". After being rekt by horus he is able to cling to a handful of individual cells that are sitting on his skeleton to still be "technically alive" and still channeling his powers to both power the astronomicon and prevent a collapsing webway project from tearing a new eye of terror, he is doing that nonstop without rest or sleep for 10,000 years in a row while on critical life support. Seeing as magneto pulling out his blood is not even close to a warp nuke to the face, he should be able to just power through it and kill magneto even without blood (assuming magneto even got the chance to attack this way) and then use biomancy to cure himself.

I love magneto, he is one of my favorite all time characters. but he is not going to be able to defeat a God in combat.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Nothing, magneto has literally zero defenses against ANY of the many many many methods of attack emps can make

Okay, just so you know, I was also thinking what stops other superhumans from doing stuff like manifesting an energy attack or elemental attack or telekinetic attack inside a person


I’m admittedly kind of thinking of something like “Internal Destruction” being used
 

mrttao

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Okay, just so you know, I was also thinking what stops other superhumans from doing stuff like manifesting an energy attack or elemental attack or telekinetic attack inside a person


I’m admittedly kind of thinking of something like “Internal Destruction” being used
A lot of settings have such an explanation and it is a good one mechanically to prevent combat from being rocket tag.
However neither x-men nor 40k has it.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
A lot of settings have such an explanation and it is a good one mechanically to prevent combat from being rocket tag.
However neither x-men nor 40k has it.

Yeah, TBF being immune to having a fireball manifest in your own guts, helps make say a Badass Normal have a chance against a powerful pyrokinetic who may need to hit you with the flames coming from their hands rather than simply suddenly being set on fire even within your own armour

You also have more of a chance against a telekinetic throwing and manipulating things around you than one who can just fling you over the window with a thought or rip your heart out from long range
 

Archinist.

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Can somebody give some feats for 616 Magneto?

Here are some feats for the Emperor:

The Emperor is strong enough he can compress a star into something around the size of this:

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Mephiston: Blood of Sanguinius said:
Time was frozen in the Diurnal Vault, trapped forever by the agonies of a dying star. As Lexicanium Antros entered he was left purblind by the majesty of the immense chamber. His Adeptus Astartes eyes quickly adjusted to the glare, but even then he could see little – vast, blazing pillars of light, hanging overhead, so tall that their summits vanished out of sight. The vault was built on a scale that defied physics. It could not, by any normal rules of science, exist within the confines of the Librarium. And yet here it was, existing.

At the centre of the hall was Idalia, beautiful guardian of a million ideas. She burned endlessly, crimson and furious in her stone prison – a caged star, bound by wards so powerful that no living Librarian could untie them. The star was only forty feet across, crushed, it was said, by the will of the Emperor Himself.

Devastation of Baal said:
Behind hex-warded gates lay the Diurnal Vault, the dread library of the Blood Angels where wonders languished in temporal prisons. Terrible science enslaved a star that powered this fortress within a fortress. Idalia, it was called, shackled by the will of the Emperor, and placed into the breast of a statue of Sanguinius that rivalled that at Angel’s Fall.

This implies a truly stupendous amount of psychic oomph; I have little doubt that the Emperor will be able to crush Magneto into pulped meat unless he has similar feats.

The Emperor's war against Chaos:

Talon of Horus said:
We can see that light. Those of us within the Empire of the Eye can actually see it. The Astronomican reaches even to our purgatorial exile, and to us it is no mere mystical radiance illuminating the warp. It is pain, it is fire, and it plunges entire Neverborn worlds into war.

It would be a mistake to believe the Emperor’s power battles the Four Gods’ forces, here. It is not order against chaos, nor anything as crude as ‘good’ against ‘evil’. It is all psychic energy, crashing together in volatile torment.

Most of the Radiant Worlds are uninhabitable, lost in the lethal crash of conflicting psychic energies. Armies of fire angels and flame-wrought projections wage war against everything in their path. We call this region the Firetide. What made the Avernus Breach so valuable was its path, not its destination. It cut through the systems forever bleached bare of life by the Firetide, and into the calmer Radiant Worlds beyond. These are the star systems bathed in psychic light without burning in it.

Entire centuries will pass without a single vessel sailing the region, for it offers little to us beyond yet another example of soul energies manifesting in ways mortals can barely control. On more than one occasion the Mechanicum has sought to use Neverborn spirits bound within arcane flesh-machinery to record the Radiant Worlds in an ever-shifting, evolving map. Such attempts have fared as poorly as you might imagine.

The Emperor is holding back all four of the Chaos Gods simultaneously, for ten thousand years.

Throneworld said:
Such power made Lhaerial’s mind reel, and for a moment her contempt for the creatures of Terra wavered. The mind of the Emperor was a mountain in the surging madness of the Othersea, blinding in its brilliance. The Great Powers circled this place like razorshark waiting out the death throes of a void-whale. That terrible presence held them back, and all His little servants were ignorant of it! Unease gripped her, that she would be noticed by the Dark Gods or their defier, and the fragile flame of her being snuffed out.

The Emperor, while mortally wounded, can create a psychic death beam that is more coherent than a laser, and more destructive than a supernova:

Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned said:
He gathers every particle of his power, focuses it into a mighty bolt of pure force, more coherent than a laser, more destructive than an exploding sun. He aims it at Horus, a lance of power destined for the madman's heart. Horus senses the upsurge of energy and turns to face the Emperor, a look of horror on his face.

Horus Heresy - Collected Visions said:
Mustering every iota of his concentration, he focused his psychic might into a bolt of pure force, more coherent than a laser, more destructive than an exploding sun. He hurled the bolt at Horus, a lance of power destined for the madman's heart. Horus sensed the upsurge of energy and turned to face the Emperor, his look of surprise turning to one of horror as he realized the strength of the attack and the doom it brought.

Just talking to his son Magnus seems to cause him grievous pain:

A Thousand Sons said:
The Emperor’s sword was drawn, and his gaze locked with that of Magnus, as though they engaged in silent communion unheard by any others. Ahriman tore his gaze from the Emperor and saw that Magnus was pinned to his seat, his body rigid and his skin pale. His eye was tightly closed, and Ahriman saw an almost imperceptible tremor in his flesh, as though powerful currents of electricity were tearing through him.

“If I am guilty of anything, it is the pursuit of knowledge,” hissed Magnus through clenched teeth. “I am its master, I swear it.”

Ahriman could hear no more, for Magnus suddenly drew a gasping breath, like a drowning man upon finding the surface of an ocean.

The Emperor, while directing the Astronomican, holding the webway portal shut on Terra, and while the Golden Throne is failing, and the forces of Chaos are all amped up thanks to the Warp, is able to stop time across the entire universe:

Dark Imperium - Plague Wars said:
Then, at the height of desperation, she came: a young woman walking through the press of magic-born evils as if she negotiated a market crowd. A lone Battle Sister walked at her side, an escort who had become a herald. The girl was lit golden and walked lightly. Though the ground was churned to mud, her feet left no imprint where her companion slipped and struggled.

‘The saint of Tyros,’ he whispered to himself. He could not think of any other word. Time slowed. The sound of the battle retreated to celestial distances. His spear ceased moving. The fight went from him. The girl took a hold of something inside him that made him forget where he was.

Her eyes were hollows and her skin blotched. Atop her head her hair was coming out in hanks. The white shift she wore was marred by burns. She was falling apart, but around her was a soft lambency that grew as she neared the two primarchs, filtering between the combatants, setting the mist aglow, turning it from something foul to a net of glorious light. Colquan’s gaze could not leave her. The conversation of the primarch brothers faded from his hearing. The creature fighting him ceased to be a concern. He could have died then, killed by the daemon, but the Neverborn too was enchanted. The fleshless septum of its nose quivered as she walked past. It raised a quivering finger, and spoke in a hissing bellows voice, creaking and choked with grave dust.

‘An-ath-e-ma…’

One word. It swam across the air, wafting towards the girl as soft as silk carried off on the wind.

Time slid to a stop. Atoms stopped their motions. Light hung unmoving in the air. Sprays of blood made solid arches over the field, bolts hung midflight, the candles of their propulsive units stilled. An eternal cold gripped Colquan. Only he, for reasons he did not know, could look about him freely. All warriors were locked motionless in tableau vivant. Guilliman strained in bonds of living light. Mortarion had his scythe raised over his head.

But although all things had ceased their movement, so that the universe was trapped within a slice of a moment as insubstantial as a pict conjured from water, the girl still moved. She turned her head and looked at Colquan. In her face burned golden eyes as old as time, and from her mouth sprang the luminance of a star.

Within his ornate helm, Colquan’s mouth fell open.

‘My lord?’ he whispered.

Dammed time broke through, crashing reality’s clockworks back into motion. Once more, the progression of events proceeded upon its unstoppable course.

Everything, having been stopped, rushed to make up lost seconds, and occurred at once.
The gangly daemon rocked upon its ruined lower quarters, amazed at what it saw. Colquan came to his senses before it did, and swung his spear around. The blade whooped through the air, connecting Colquan to the Neverborn’s neck by a bridge of arcing power. The daemon turned to strike back. As it did, its monstrous head fell from its shoulders. Its soul departed in a flurry of flies, and its body fizzed into nothing.

The girl stepped into the air above the melee. A dome of light sprang up from the ground. It expanded with light’s speed, catching everything in its shining radius. Men and Space Marines staggered. The Neverborn screamed. Mortarion’s weapon was caught the instant before it could descend.

A mighty wind blew up, blasting the fog away. Near the girl, the mist vanished. Further out, it flowed quickly back, revealing more and more of the battlefield, until only the farthest reaches were obscured. The sun broke through, and lit upon the broken plain. The lesser Neverborn evaporated like ice in a furnace, cast wailing back into the immaterium. The greater staggered, their bodies scourged by the girl’s glow. Their skin blistered. Their eyes cooked in their heads. They howled and screamed. Mortarion, being more daemon now than human, was flung backwards, his wings bent around his body. The bonds holding Guilliman shattered to glowing motes, and the primarch surged free.

Any feats for Magneto?
 
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mrttao

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Any feats for Magneto?
They vary wildly based on which version it is and the constant retcons.
Magneto from Earth-616 is on the upper scale as far as magnetos go and his feats peak abilities are listed here
Powerful, but not quite at the level of the feats you listed

He is also susceptible to exhaustion and even abuses mutant growth hormone to try and maintain his powers at peak performance.
 

Archinist.

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@mrttao I apologize, I'm not big on comic books so I had to go off of a quick internet search. I'll be using the ones I think are the strongest. Here is the link if you want to sift through it and get something I missed.

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(for reference, apparently Avalon -the station Magneto threw- is "planetoid-sized."

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(apparently the above was a blast that could punch through planets

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Two examples of Magneto tanking nuclear blasts:

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From what I can tell, even Magneto's most absurd high-end feats only reach the Emperor's mid-end feats.
 

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