Halo Halo TV Series Thread: This isn't the Red Flag we were hoping for.

[DarthOne]

If they end the series by framing this all as a in-universe claim made by Colonel Ackerson......well, it won't redeem the project, not by a longshot. But it's the only way they could possibly establish any sort of connection to the main canon.

Hmmmmm....(looks at the Halo fic he's planning out)

Moving on, I confess I'm greatly amused by the fact that the timeline the show takes place in is called the 'Silver timeline'. One, because Silver implies second best; which is accurate. As for all its flaws, when compared to the main timeline, the TV show is, I think we can all agree, second best.

Two, because silver tarnishes. And in the case of the show's timeline, it's tarnished something fierce.




A reminder of what we could have had.

Kevin Quiroa
Man...an ODST series but in a Band of brothers style would've been so epic. The messiness of the insurrection wars and then getting dropped into the war with covenant. Why cant we have nice things? Why did we get what we got?

Brian Elliott
I really feel like a show focused on ODSTs where the Chief popped in occasionally as a background character would have been a way better angle for a TV show, and this trailer proves it. You could have the main characters have very human emotions and high stakes, and the Spartans could feel very powerful without needing to carry a lot of emotional beats of the story. Why the TV didn't take this approach is beyond me. Nobody is worried if the Chief is going to die, so the show has pretty low stakes for the combat.

 

[Laskar]

Hmmmmm....(looks at the Halo fic he's planning out)

Moving on, I confess I'm greatly amused by the fact that the timeline the show takes place in is called the 'Silver timeline'. One, because Silver implies second best; which is accurate. As for all its flaws, when compared to the main timeline, the TV show is, I think we can all agree, second best.

Two, because silver tarnishes. And in the case of the show's timeline, it's tarnished something fierce.




A reminder of what we could have had.

In the meantime...



Responses: What we need is a show with ODSTs who-



I think a good story can be told while keeping the same actors and general characters, but that's a post for another night.

 

[Rhyse]

So ... Chief raped that prisoner right? She was a POW, he was clearly in a position of power over her. That was a warcrime; a pretty fucking bad one at that.

 

[Laskar]

So ... Chief raped that prisoner right? She was a POW, he was clearly in a position of power over her. That was a warcrime; a pretty fucking bad one at that.

Let's just be glad that he didn't get it on with Kwan.

 

[Rhyse]

Let's just be glad that he didn't get it on with Kwan.

NGL, I fully expect that to happen at some point with how weird this show is.

 

[King Arts]

So ... Chief raped that prisoner right? She was a POW, he was clearly in a position of power over her. That was a warcrime; a pretty fucking bad one at that.

Don't be retarded that's not the definition of rape. Being in a position of power is not important. What does matter is she is a POW and sleeping with the enemy is pretty eh.

But no the bigger issue is Master Chief sleeping with anyone at all. The Spartans don't have a sex drive, they are all asexual. They don't feel those desires, the process that made them Spartans makes them sterile and kills their sex drives. No Spartan would ever engage in any sexual relationship.

 

[Rhyse]

Don't be retarded that's not the definition of rape. Being in a position of power is not important. What does matter is she is a POW and sleeping with the enemy is pretty eh.

Being in a clear position of actual power - not bullshit 'he bigger' - power, but as in, he's an officer of the enemy side and she's a POW, from an alien race that's hellbent on exterminating humanity makes it rape yes. There's no real way short of them having a pre-existing sexual relationship where this isn't rapey as fuck. You cannot give proper consent to your jailer for them to fuck you. You cannot have sex with prisoners of war, if you do that; you are a rapist.

But no the bigger issue is Master Chief sleeping with anyone at all. The Spartans don't have a sex drive, they are all asexual. They don't feel those desires, the process that made them Spartans makes them sterile and kills their sex drives. No Spartan would ever engage in any sexual relationship.

That's also retarded. But this show clearly couldn't give a shit about literally anything else. So why would that matter to them. Master Cheeks has been getting in touch with his emotional side, and weeping, and feeling and all that dumb shit. So why not let him clap cheeks as well? I mean, he'd probably do some damage if he did as well, but hey ho.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Don't be retarded that's not the definition of rape. Being in a position of power is not important. What does matter is she is a POW and sleeping with the enemy is pretty eh.

Colloquially speaking, it's not rape. Legally speaking I don't think it's a warcrime in the Geneva convention sense (didn't see anything about it skimming the convention), but it's almost certainly a violation of UNSC rules and regulations.

But no the bigger issue is Master Chief sleeping with anyone at all. The Spartans don't have a sex drive, they are all asexual. They don't feel those desires, the process that made them Spartans makes them sterile and kills their sex drives. No Spartan would ever engage in any sexual relationship.

That's not quite correct. The Spartan augmentation carries a high risk of suppressing the subjects sex drive, that doesn't mean that's it's certainly going to eradicate it, and there's nothing about sterilization.

Maria 062 quit the military to raise a family, and while we don't know details on that, it's possible that means she had kids of her own rather than adopting.

 

[King Arts]

Being in a clear position of actual power - not bullshit 'he bigger' - power, but as in, he's an officer of the enemy side and she's a POW, from an alien race that's hellbent on exterminating humanity makes it rape yes. There's no real way short of them having a pre-existing sexual relationship where this isn't rapey as fuck. You cannot give proper consent to your jailer for them to fuck you. You cannot have sex with prisoners of war, if you do that; you are a rapist.

No it's not. Rape is forcing someone to have sex against their will. I don't care whatever the law says wherever you are from. The law changes from region to region. So I don't give a fuck how "rapey" it looks for you. Nothing but using force, or having sex with someone who is unconscious and literally can't fight back is rape to me. I'm not going to let liberals make more stuff up like with the metoo movement and all that. I go by the traditional definition which has been used from the ancient past.

That's also retarded. But this show clearly couldn't give a shit about literally anything else. So why would that matter to them. Master Cheeks has been getting in touch with his emotional side, and weeping, and feeling and all that dumb shit. So why not let him clap cheeks as well? I mean, he'd probably do some damage if he did as well, but hey ho.

Yeah, I guess. The show is really shitting on everything from making the Insurectionists sympathetic, to Spartans act too emotional, to having human covenant agents.

 

[Rhyse]

Colloquially speaking, it's not rape. Legally speaking I don't think it's a warcrime in the Geneva convention sense (didn't see anything about it skimming the convention), but it's almost certainly a violation of UNSC rules and regulations.

If you're going by American/European law, having sex with an incarcerated individual if you are a member of staff is raping them; the laws on POW treatment state that you cannot rape or engage in coercive sex with a prisoner of War, or force them into prostitution. If you have sex with a POW, you're getting hauled up on charges for sure. Besides that, just on a moral level, the man's supposed to be a professional soldier

No it's not. Rape is forcing someone to have sex against their will. I don't care whatever the law says wherever you are from. The law changes from region to region. So I don't give a fuck how "rapey" it looks for you. Nothing but using force, or having sex with someone who is unconscious and literally can't fight back is rape to me. I'm not going to let liberals make more stuff up like with the metoo movement and all that. I go by the traditional definition which has been used from the ancient past.

Odd hill to make your stand on, but sure. Legally speaking it's rape if you're an America, and legally speaking it's rape if you're a European. Outside of those regions of the world it probably isn't sure.

Yeah, I guess. The show is really shitting on everything from making the Insurectionists sympathetic, to Spartans act too emotional, to having human covenant agents.

The dumbest thing though, is that it's not even making the Innies seem sympathetic. They come off as violent, backwater retards sperging out over nothing, with barely room temperature IQ's. I literally cannot stop hearing that moronic line that Kwan says to Keyes, where she's like "What happens If I tell them it was the UNSC that attacked! Huh! What then!". What? What the fuck are you on about Kwan? You literally watched everyone you know and love get murdered by aliens, and then the first thing you do is 'NPC face: UNSC bad!'. It's mind boggling.

That's not quite correct. The Spartan augmentation carries a high risk of suppressing the subjects sex drive, that doesn't mean that's it's certainly going to eradicate it, and there's nothing about sterilization.
Maria 062 quit the military to raise a family, and while we don't know details on that, it's possible that means she had kids of her own rather than adopting.

They can probably induce the sex drive and fertility again. The UNSC's bioscience is pretty dammed advanced.

 

[King Arts]

Colloquially speaking, it's not rape. Legally speaking I don't think it's a warcrime in the Geneva convention sense (didn't see anything about it skimming the convention), but it's almost certainly a violation of UNSC rules and regulations.

Yes it's not rape as it's commonly understood. Also it's not a war crime if it's consensual. And yes any sane military will have rules and regulations against sleeping with the enemy lol. Not because "Muh imbalance of power" but because if you are someone's lover you will be tender and affectionate with them, and if they are the enemy those emotions can be used against you, so you have slit loyalties.

That's not quite correct. The Spartan augmentation carries a high risk of suppressing the subjects sex drive, that doesn't mean that's it's certainly going to eradicate it, and there's nothing about sterilization.

Maria 062 quit the military to raise a family, and while we don't know details on that, it's possible that means she had kids of her own rather than adopting.

Huh, I could have sworn that Master Chief was asexual and I assumed that it was because of the augmentation and that carried over to the other Spartans at least the 2's and 3's. Not sure about the 4's since they were not a ONI black project and used willing volunteers not child orphans, or children kidnapped from their families.

 

[Battlegrinder]

If you're going by American/European law, having sex with an incarcerated individual if you are a member of staff is raping them; the laws on POW treatment state that you cannot rape or engage in coercive sex with a prisoner of War, or force them into prostitution. If you have sex with a POW, you're getting hauled up on charges for sure. Besides that, just on a moral level, the man's supposed to be a professional soldier

Oh, it was absolutely illegal, the point was rhstcit was not illegal under the Geneva convention and wasn't a war crime. And while technically it's accurate to say "MC raped a POW", as a critism of the show it comes across as just trying to frame everything in the worst possible terms regardless of context, because the intent behind that scene was clearly not in line wurg that characterization.

Huh, I could have sworn that Master Chief was asexual and I assumed that it was because of the augmentation and that carried over to the other Spartans at least the 2's and 3's. Not sure about the 4's since they were not a ONI black project and used willing volunteers not child orphans, or children kidnapped from their families.

It's never been said S2s are asexual, only that they have a "suppressed" sex drive, and given thier upbringing and training its easy to conclude they're likely not as interested as regular people.

 

[Rhyse]

Oh, it was absolutely illegal, the point was rhstcit was not illegal under the Geneva convention and wasn't a war crime. And while technically it's accurate to say "MC raped a POW", as a critism of the show it comes across as just trying to frame everything in the worst possible terms regardless of context, because the intent behind that scene was clearly not in line wurg that characterization.

It was more of an issue that it's just blatantly unprofessional. Short of 'joining the covenant' it's something that's just completely out of character for Master Chief to be doing anything like that. It was such a bizarre and weird thing for even a normal soldier to do, that it just struck me as a little bit perverse for Chief to do it.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Of course it's out of character, everyone in the show is out of character. According to what I've seen of the last episode, they swing really hard in "evil Halsey the control freak mad scientist" at the end, which even if you don't like Halsey is the wrong way to demonize her.

Halsey's core flaw has always been arrogance, she thinks she's the smartest, cleverest person ever (which she is) and so whatever course of action she takes is always the correct one because its the one she decided on, and she's always the most qualified person for anything. She joined the S II program because anyone else would done a worse job, she started poking around the S III program because she was afraid Akerson had screwed it up, she created Cortana as a clone of herself because Cortana needed to be the bestest AI ever and so she would need to be closed from the smartest person ever (despite the fact there's no other evidence that the capability of an AI is related to the brain its scanned from), etc.

And there's a lot you can do with that. Her actions at Onyx cost the UNSC 4 Spartan IIs and an entire naval battlegroup (when the UNSC was running very low on both), because Halsey decided that the war was lost and the best course of action was to save as many Spartans as possible, regardless of the cost. Because Halsey decided this was the best choice of action and didn't care what anyone else thought or if they might recognize that she was really being driven by decades of guilt over the S II program.


That's a great, complicated character to use and explore. But instead they opted for the dumbed down, badly thought out version Travis invented, and then dumbed her down even more.