Halo Infinite

Dovahkiin

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You can pretend what happened on screen happened differently all you like, but the fact of the matter remains that Chief and Locke fought like drunken sailors, and Atriox laughed off every hit Red Team threw at him. That is what we have to analyze and deal with, regardless of how things should have played out, so I suggest you engage with the text as it is if you're going to debate about it.
Then that turns most of Halo and most of almost every other visual sci-fi/fantasy franchise into varying degrees of inept laughing stocks that function solely on authorial fiat and rule of cool... since that's actually what most of them are in reality, if we abandon suspension of disbelief about what they're supposed to be in-universe.

Which is a completely valid lens of analysis, just one that necessarily connotes an absurd cripple fight I have no interest in debating myself.
You're missing the crux of my argument being it should have been that easy. The Spirit of Fire was fifty years out of date thirty years ago, and the Enduring Conviction should have the ability to put out hundreds of small craft (to be fair, it did not, but I'm already pointing out how incompetent the Banished are, so point in my favor). We've seen before how long it takes for a Covenant naval force properly pressing its advantages against a UNSC ship to board/down it. It is not long, but for some reason it was here. In the absence of a technological advantage on the Spirit's part, and her complete lack of single fighter response to the Banshee harassment, the only reason it could have lasted as long it did was, once again, incompetence.
The situations you're speaking of usually involve Covenant capital ships and/or big boi space fighters like Seraphs. I would not bet on mere Banshees managing the task of crippling a capital ship with the same level of ease.
My point is that it would have been successful, and in a much shorter timeframe and with fewer losses because none of the Spirit of Fire's armaments could have penetrated its shields, and there wouldn't have been any Banshees to be shot down by her point defense. Done and done.
Hadn't considered this before, but now that I think about it, I'm not sure if the EC physically pushing the SoF down is something that can be done without tearing the latter apart.
But if you want less of a setpiece example, the Enduring Conviction could have fired a plasma torpedo or one of its ten separate energy projectors through the exposed bridge of the Spirit of Fire, killing the bridge crew and rendering the ship dead in the water. Now the ship is his, no harm no foul.
Indeed, and since the EC used that exact weaponry as orbital support for Decimus, clearly it deliberately refrained from doing so. Probably because of a combination of them trying to claim the SoF as intact as possible (which even your proposal complicates when there could quite easily be an abundance of useful shit on the bridge), the EC being busy with some sort of supply ferrying business when it went down IIRC, and the Banshees clearly being on the verge of doing the job themselves just before the EC went down and that assault dried up. An approach that, wasteful or not, still would have worked out fine if not for Isabel and Jerome downing the EC out of nowhere, which itself wouldn't have been plausible if not for the Spartans and Smart AI we both agree they fatally underestimated.

Now, in response to saying the Banished weren't taking every possible precaution, or being very conservative or efficient with their soldiers' lives, I have no argument there. But on top of that not being new for Covenant forces by any means, there's a difference between fucking up in a few crucial (and to an extent, understandable) regards, and being the complete bumbling oafs you seem to be saying they are.
Of course it's reasonable, he's the one who put them in charge. A fool who trusts a fool to do a good job is also a fool.
My point, which you can't separate from the next part of the snippet you're quoting here, is that the fools* still would have done a good job at the tasks they were assigned, if not for A) the double whammy of a non-token garrison UNSC force falling out of the sky on them, and B) Spartans being among that force.

* And while I'd agree that's a good label for Decimus, who definitely seems to have been valued for his loyalty and battle prowess more than his smarts, I can't actually recall any egregious failures by Let. Aside from perhaps being needlessly callous with his Banshee pilots' lives (which is admittedly not very efficient, but again, certainly nothing new for the Covenant).
Substantial?

The Spirit of Fire's original compliment was 11,350 personnel. 3500 sailors running the ship, 6000 marines, and 2000 army grunts. After the events of Halo Wars 1, they had just over 5500 total crew members. If I'm being charitable and assuming that the majority of those 5500 aren't all shipboard management, and instead saying every compliment was cut in half, that leaves 3000 marines and 1000 army. The Enduring Conviction would be capable of holding 40,000 troops, a not insignificant number of which would be Brutes and Elites, and would thus severely outgun and outclass any force Cutter could possibly field. The only thing saving Cutter now is that Atriox's troops are spread across the Ark and cut off without the portals, but that just means this isn't actually a stalemate. It's a war of attrition that Cutter will lose, but also one that he shouldn't have been able to force in the first place.
It's assuredly more substantial than whatever token garrison the UNSC had deployed to the Ark previously, and what he went there prepared to deal with.

As for Banished numbers, the EC being capable of holding 40,000 troops doesn't mean it actually did, especially when it's owned by a resource-hungry raider/mercenary faction that went there rightly expecting only a token garrison to mop up, which also had much more challenging battles to fight back in the Milky Way.
At every turn at the start of the conflict on the ring, Thel was making the right plays.
In the sense that those plays would have generally sufficed in similar circumstances, sure. In the sense that he went all out in the competence and caution departments by draining half his fleet onto the ring to prevent any meaningful installation from being seen by Human eyes, and personally micromanaging the Humans' destruction from Day 1 just in case they pull something out of a hat, as they did? No.

And to be clear, I'm not holding that against Thel, for most of the same reasons I don't against Atriox. Never mind Thel's specific issue in spending much of this time playing politics with a wayward Prophet in his fleet.
Every single substantial loss he suffered was at the Chief's hands (which weren't that substantial, because there wasn't anything the UNSC could do to stop him taking the Cartographer and control room back after the Chief left)
And aside from those losses not being as substantial because Thel had more far more resources to work with, how is that different from Atriox? Whose losses over the course of HW2's main campaign occur, without exception, with at least one S-II spearheading the opposition in every level?
In every engagement where the UNSC regulars played offense against his forces when they weren't fighting a two front war against the Flood, Thel made a laughing stock of them.
I genuinely can't recall any examples of the UNSC playing offense against the Covenant minus the Chief or the Flood, with Alpha Base as the closest exception that comes to mind. In which they still didn't play offense, but definitely held them off in defense.
What exactly does Atriox get out of the Spirit of Fire that wouldn't pale in comparison to the literal treasure trove he's been standing on for four months? The answer is not a god damn thing.
Information on how they mysteriously appeared at the Ark out of the blue (not that they knew either, but he didn't know that), information on the Spartans he clearly wasn't very familiar with, potentially valuable personnel like a data-laden Smart AI, an unscrupulous ONI goon/Insurrectionist sympathizer who might actually be willing to work with the Banished, some Halsey-esque figure who could do for him what she sporadically did for Jul, Forerunner tech they recovered from elsewhere... any number of things really.
By my understanding, he only had the one ship at the Ark, so it's less a matter of him staying to fight and more that he has no other option but to do so.
Sure, I wasn't commenting on his degree of choice in it.
Frankly, this example only serves to work to your detriment. Alpha Base at the time of the attack was a hastily constructed set of trenches full of ODSTs against a hundred Ghosts, where they used the terrain advantage to compensate for their smaller force. And had it not been for the ODST snipers killing the Zealot leading the charge, they would have soon been overwhelmed regardless.
Then as you're describing it, it's effectively no different from the Banshee attack on the SoF, in that if not for an unforeseen hindrance (significantly less unforeseeable in this case), it would have worked eventually despite not remotely being the most efficient usage of those troops. As any sort of Ghost charge most assuredly isn't, relative to any number of other things the Covenant could do.
In every conflict between Cutter's armies and Atriox's, Cutter was the smaller force attacking Atriox's bases that he has had four months to fortify and fill with troops, and every time Cutter got through,
Besides the question of how this meaningfully differs from I04 apart from the larger scale of combat, considering that they had no reason to expect anyone showing up at the Ark to fight them (with the portal on Earth closed, and them either reaching the Ark conventionally or having an apparently very secure/secluded means of getting there), the apparent lack* of Banished fortification on the Ark isn't that incomprehensible.

* Which, aside from there simply being no real Banished strongholds in HW2 aside from the EC's ground base, sorta, we also know weren't there because Atriox specifically mentions spending months fortifying various positions against the SoF, only to have to abandon them because of the Flood. Which obviously wouldn't be necessary if he had significant fortification before they got there.
despite the willingness of the Banished to use the Conviction's energy projector on Cutter's bases and forces (which for some reason does negligible damage to them or the terrain, which makes no sense whatsoever).
I believe those were its pulse lasers, not its energy projector.
 

Draco

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The situations you're speaking of usually involve Covenant capital ships
Which the Enduring Conviction is.
and/or big boi space fighters like Seraphs. I would not bet on mere Banshees managing the task of crippling a capital ship with the same level of ease.
Halo: Silent Storm has twelve Spartans use said Banshees to destroy four Covenant supply ships, whose nanolaminate plating is far better suited to taking plasma fire than the Titanium-A the Spirit of Fire sports. I have no reason to believe they would not perform better in this case, particularly since there were far more than twelve Banshees this time.
Hadn't considered this before, but now that I think about it, I'm not sure if the EC physically pushing the SoF down is something that can be done without tearing the latter apart.
It might, I am admittedly not an engineer, but considering the available surface area on both ships that would mitigate the effects of pressure on a specific area, and the fact that Miranda Keyes has performed a similar trick with a UNSC science vessel against a Covenant destroyer, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that it could work.
Indeed, and since the EC used that exact weaponry as orbital support for Decimus, clearly it deliberately refrained from doing so.
Which is still foolish.
Probably because of a combination of them trying to claim the SoF as intact as possible (which even your proposal complicates when there could quite easily be an abundance of useful shit on the bridge),
Nothing they wouldn't have already had from any number of more advanced UNSC ships they had likely already encountered in other engagements. Also, what on the bridge could have been useful for anything other than basic salvage? It's a room with chairs and computers.
the EC being busy with some sort of supply ferrying business when it went down IIRC,
Which would in no way preclude it from firing its weapons.
Now, in response to saying the Banished weren't taking every possible precaution, or being very conservative or efficient with their soldiers' lives, I have no argument there. But on top of that not being new for Covenant forces by any means,
I would appreciate an example that isn't Atriox's clan.
there's a difference between fucking up in a few crucial (and to an extent, understandable) regards, and being the complete bumbling oafs you seem to be saying they are.
And my stance remains that that is what separates Thel from Atriox.
* And while I'd agree that's a good label for Decimus, who definitely seems to have been valued for his loyalty and battle prowess more than his smarts, I can't actually recall any egregious failures by Let. Aside from perhaps being needlessly callous with his Banshee pilots' lives (which is admittedly not very efficient, but again, certainly nothing new for the Covenant).
It certainly is new in regards to ship to ship combat. Also, not glassing Cutter's bases and letting the Spirit stay airborne are failures.
It's assuredly more substantial than whatever token garrison the UNSC had deployed to the Ark previously, and what he went there prepared to deal with.
Until we actually know for sure how Atriox got to the Ark, since Isabel states that the portal to the Ark shut off a month before he arrived, we have no way of knowing whether Atriox had actually prepared to arrive at the Ark, or if he was scooped up and plopped there just as the Spirit of Fire was.

And a further point, that there was only a small garrison of UNSC forces is in itself asinine. I find it highly suspect that the Swords of Sanghelios would allow only humanity to have claim to the Ark, especially since the entire premise of Hunters in the Dark was the Elites specifically not letting the UNSC do anything involving the Ark alone.
As for Banished numbers, the EC being capable of holding 40,000 troops doesn't mean it actually did, especially when it's owned by a resource-hungry raider/mercenary faction that went there rightly expecting only a token garrison to mop up, which also had much more challenging battles to fight back in the Milky Way.
The Ark is a space station with the surface area of many dozens of planets. If Atriox knew where he was going, and was planning to fortify it such that he would be able to hold it against any following invading force, and he didn't at least fill that one ship to the brim with troops and supplies, then he is still a fool. The Ark is the biggest treasure in the Halo universe at this point, there is no battle/holding more important than this for Atriox and the Banished.
And aside from those losses not being as substantial because Thel had more far more resources to work with, how is that different from Atriox? Whose losses over the course of HW2's main campaign occur, without exception, with at least one S-II spearheading the opposition in every level?
Probably the part where the Master Chief never met Covenant forces in the battalion scale in open combat, where his ability to personally withstand any one particular infantry/armor threat would be nullified by him being further surrounded after the fact. The missions centering around Alice are more in line with Spartan operations, those being spec ops and infiltration. The ones around Jerome, where he was acting more as a force commander, are not.
Information on how they mysteriously appeared at the Ark out of the blue (not that they knew either, but he didn't know that), information on the Spartans he clearly wasn't very familiar with, potentially valuable personnel like a data-laden Smart AI, an unscrupulous ONI goon/Insurrectionist sympathizer who might actually be willing to work with the Banished, some Halsey-esque figure who could do for him what she sporadically did for Jul, Forerunner tech they recovered from elsewhere... any number of things really.
All of which are still less important than the Ark itself.
Then as you're describing it, it's effectively no different from the Banshee attack on the SoF, in that if not for an unforeseen hindrance (significantly less unforeseeable in this case), it would have worked eventually despite not remotely being the most efficient usage of those troops. As any sort of Ghost charge most assuredly isn't, relative to any number of other things the Covenant could do.
The difference is that Alpha Base was able to set up enough defense to hold off long enough against the enemy using everything it had at its disposal at that moment to assault, whereas the Spirit of Fire was barely holding off against the Banished not trying.
Besides the question of how this meaningfully differs from I04 apart from the larger scale of combat,
Correct, that is a meaningful difference.
considering that they had no reason to expect anyone showing up at the Ark to fight them (with the portal on Earth closed, and them either reaching the Ark conventionally or having an apparently very secure/secluded means of getting there), the apparent lack* of Banished fortification on the Ark isn't that incomprehensible.
For one, we don't know that they know anything about the portal from Earth. For two, if a bunch of space pirates could figure out how to get there, it is not unreasonable to suspect that the Swords/UNSC would eventually figure out how to get there in a similar way. For three, like I said earlier, they should have been preparing for a counterattack regardless, whether it ended up being immediate or years down the line, because once they actually started using it to make plays across the galaxy, somebody was gonna try to take it from them.
* Which, aside from there simply being no real Banished strongholds in HW2 aside from the EC's ground base, sorta, we also know weren't there because Atriox specifically mentions spending months fortifying various positions against the SoF, only to have to abandon them because of the Flood. Which obviously wouldn't be necessary if he had significant fortification before they got there.
So Atriox wasted four months.
I believe those were its pulse lasers, not its energy projector.
You may be right, but if that is the case it's another big misstep that they didn't use the energy projector.
 

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The Covenant discovered the Brutes after they had literally just bombed themselves back into the stone age.
Nope. It's not said when the First Immolation happened, but it happened far enough in the past for another large war to have taken place in the aftermath. The Brutes rediscovered rocketry and radio by the time that the Covenant discovered them.

Any societal structure that survived among them would have, and was shown to still be even in the Covenant, "guy with biggest stick is king." They had no culture of their own, and were drawn into the Covenant quickly because of the promise of actual meaning in their lives.
Lol. If that's true, then all it takes for Atriox and his fellows to abandon the faith is the realization that the Elites are sending them to die with the same callous abandon that the old packmasters had.

Atriox was born almost twenty years after the Brutes joined the Covenant, which is about the timeframe we saw that it took the Covenant to drive another interstellar empire to near extinction. There is not a chance in hell any other doctrines were allowed to exist for Atriox to subscribe to besides "put on your explosive vest, it's time to die for the cause."
It's not as if Human history is replete with examples of societies retaining their culture and beliefs in the face of overwhelming force to convert. Look at the Jews. Look at the American Indians. Look at the Coptic Christians and the Chinese Muslims.

There is no evidence for the overwhelming force to convert you are claiming, a forceful conversion and destruction of culture that would make the Chinese Cultural Revolution look like a spring cleaning. Look at the Jackals. They were confined to a single solar system, they have been under the Covenant thumb for hundreds of years longer than the Brutes, and they are by and large skeptics of the Covenant faith. If the Covenant is as forcible as you claim, why weren't they wiped out?

...are we playing the same game series?
We are, but it looks like I'm the one who was paying attention.

The Covenant is not a cult, which is small and oppressive enough to exercise absolute control over its members. It is a religion and a society, which is large and complicated enough for free thinkers, heretics and apostates to arise. Atriox being one of those free thinkers is absolutely plausible.
 
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Draco

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Nope. It's not said when the First Immolation happened, but it happened far enough in the past for another large war to have taken place in the aftermath. The Brutes rediscovered rocketry and radio by the time that the Covenant discovered them.
"When the Covenant discovered Doisac in 2492, the First Immolation had just recently concluded. At this time, the Jiralhanae were just rediscovering radio and rocketry, as well as the applications these technologies could have in warfare.[1] Ill-prepared for the Covenant's arrival,[5][10] survivors from the Rh'tol and the Vheiloth skeins would be incorporated into in the Covenant."

Try again, bud.

Lol. If that's true, then all it takes for Atriox and his fellows to abandon the faith is the realization that the Elites are sending them to die with the same callous abandon that the old packmasters had.
You obviously don't understand how indoctrination from birth works. Or what it means to have your society suddenly uplifted into the stars and given a religious and apparently meaningful purpose to fight when your entire species history has been meaningless war against each other.

It's not as if Human history is replete with examples of societies retaining their culture and beliefs in the face of overwhelming force to convert. Look at the Jews. Look at the American Indians. Look at the Coptic Christians and the Chinese Muslims.
None of which had to contend with an overwhelming force that could turn their cities to glass in a matter of days.
There is no evidence for the overwhelming force to convert you are claiming, a forceful conversion and destruction of culture that would make the Chinese Cultural Revolution look like a spring cleaning.
Correct, because that would require Brutes having a culture. My point is that if they did have one, it would have taken very little for the Covenant to wipe it out. See the two years it took for the Spanish to wipe Aztec society off the planet. I expect the Covenant can do much better than that.
Look at the Jackals. They were confined to a single solar system, they have been under the Covenant thumb for hundreds of years longer than the Brutes, and they are by and large skeptics of the Covenant faith. If the Covenant is as forcible as you claim, why weren't they wiped out?
Because they're not stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds them. The only reason the Jackals surrendered and accepted the letters of marque was because they knew they would eventually be wiped out if they had kept their war with the Covenant going (pretty forcible of them, huh?). They provide a service to the Covenant that is worth more than their total religious allegiance, but we know they are the exception, not the rule. And if they did ever rebel, they'd have had their homeworld burned to a cinder just like the Grunts had.

We are, but it looks like I'm the one who was paying attention.

The Covenant is not a cult, which is small and oppressive enough to exercise absolute control over its members. It is a religion and a society, which is large and complicated enough for free thinkers, heretics and apostates to arise. Atriox being one of those free thinkers is absolutely plausible.
>regularly utilizes suicide troops
>mercilessly kills heretics as soon as they pop up
>"It's totally not a cult guys, look how big it is."

Just because a cult can have apostates pop up doesn't mean it's not a cult.
 

Zachowon

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Nope. It's not said when the First Immolation happened, but it happened far enough in the past for another large war to have taken place in the aftermath. The Brutes rediscovered rocketry and radio by the time that the Covenant discovered them.


Lol. If that's true, then all it takes for Atriox and his fellows to abandon the faith is the realization that the Elites are sending them to die with the same callous abandon that the old packmasters had.


It's not as if Human history is replete with examples of societies retaining their culture and beliefs in the face of overwhelming force to convert. Look at the Jews. Look at the American Indians. Look at the Coptic Christians and the Chinese Muslims.

There is no evidence for the overwhelming force to convert you are claiming, a forceful conversion and destruction of culture that would make the Chinese Cultural Revolution look like a spring cleaning. Look at the Jackals. They were confined to a single solar system, they have been under the Covenant thumb for hundreds of years longer than the Brutes, and they are by and large skeptics of the Covenant faith. If the Covenant is as forcible as you claim, why weren't they wiped out?


We are, but it looks like I'm the one who was paying attention.

The Covenant is not a cult, which is small and oppressive enough to exercise absolute control over its members. It is a religion and a society, which is large and complicated enough for free thinkers, heretics and apostates to arise. Atriox being one of those free thinkers is absolutely plausible.
Jackals are often Pirates and leave the Covenant from time to time, small bands to be pirates
 

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It still had a better story then 76
That's not a accomplishment when 76 has no story, only lore and at least the lore in 76 is in line with what came before it. (Other than the scorched)

Halo 5 backtracks on both story and lore, as well as visuals heck Cortana looks worse design wise than she did in halo 4 at least with 76 we weren't expecting overly much innovation, Halo was a different story.
 
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Zachowon

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That's not a accomplishment when 76 has no story, only lore and at least the lore in 76 is in line with what came before it. (Other than the scorched)

Halo 5 backtracks on both story and lore, as well as visuals heck Cortana looks worse design wise than she did in halo 4 at least with 76 we weren't expecting overly much innovation, Halo was a different story.
The graphics were still nice.

I'm not gonna keep arguing this as it is an argument of personal taste
 

Dovahkiin

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Welp...



Not the most comforting sign for the game's development in general, but better than them cranking out a half-assed game to meet the Series X launch, I suppose.

Also, some neat Thel vs. Atriox art I stumbled upon.

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Zachowon

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Welp...



Not the most comforting sign for the game's development in general, but better than them cranking out a half-assed game to meet the Series X launch, I suppose.

Also, some neat Thel vs. Atriox art I stumbled upon.

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Fuck! Looks like Avengers will have to make this year last then
 

Laskar

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Welp...


Not the most comforting sign for the game's development in general, but better than them cranking out a half-assed game to meet the Series X launch, I suppose.
Well, that's a disappointment. Understandable though. Between the Wuhan flu and... whatever development problems that Infinite is going through, it needs an extension.
 

Typhonis

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You know , when I saw the trailer for Halo Infinite.....I thought it would be a survival\crafting game set in the Halo universe for some strange reason.
 

Doomsought

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There isn't much you can do to improve a bullet, but you can get improvements by improving your powder charge.
I wouldn't be surprised if a number of UNSC pistol rounds used case-less amunition. There are alot of interesting things you can do with explosive charges if you have 3d printing technology good enough to create organs in the field. You can create a polymer matrix around your explosive to precisely control the burn speed on the millisecond scale or better. This will also allow you to use more powerful explosives for smaller and lighter propellant charges.
 

Shipmaster Sane

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This is the same universe where they can fit 60 rounds in the AR
Thats literally an order of magnitude less silly.

There isn't much you can do to improve a bullet, but you can get improvements by improving your powder charge.
I wouldn't be surprised if a number of UNSC pistol rounds used case-less amunition. There are alot of interesting things you can do with explosive charges if you have 3d printing technology good enough to create organs in the field. You can create a polymer matrix around your explosive to precisely control the burn speed on the millisecond scale or better. This will also allow you to use more powerful explosives for smaller and lighter propellant charges.
What does that have to do with the fact that they made a 10mm pistol big enough to double as a sport utility vehicle?
 

Dovahkiin

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Some bits of news on this.

First is that Infinite has a new project lead for the campaign. Not particularly comforting this close to the original release date, but... said lead is Joseph Staten, aka the Bungie trilogy's director and writer of cinematics, and in my personal opinion, the franchise's single best writer when it comes to anything Covenant related.

Second, we have details on a new Banished character that will appear...

HIGH-VALUE HEADHUNTER
In hushed whispers throughout the ranks of the Banished, Jega ‘Rdomnai’s name is spoken of with care. The blademaster’s history is shrouded in rumor and half-truths. Some say he was an experiment, an affront to his own kind. Others make mention of a clandestine ambush gone wrong. Very few know the truth, fewer still speak of it. One thing is certain: he has hunted demons before, and as the first recruit welcomed into the Hand of Atriox, he will do so again.

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A mysterious and battle-ravaged Sangheili warrior, Jega represents one of several new characters that you will encounter along your way through the Halo Infinite campaign, with each confrontation playing its own part in Chief’s continuing journey.


... and the new MJOLNIR GEN3 armor, and its default variant, the Mark VII.

Originally field tested primarily by Spartan Naomi-010, the GEN1 Mark VII suite of components would be refined time and time again, with further elements tested onboard the GEN2 DECIMATOR-class Mjolnir variant. Eventually, these efforts would dovetail with parallel projects within Materials Group, culminating in the GEN3 Mark VII, designed to outfit the latest Spartan contingents with the very best in cutting-edge warfighting technology.

Though it does represent a generational leap for the Mjolnir platform for actively deployed Spartans, some elements tested with the GEN1 and GEN2 Mark VII remain in the prototype stage due to unreliability or cost factors, such as integration of Forerunner-derived nanomachine elements and full shield-shaping.


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Created with input from Dr. Halsey herself, the latest Mark VII iteration refreshes the Mjolnir technical architecture with breakthroughs in neural interfaces, shield emitters, fusion power, and armor formulation.

The Mark VII designation refers to a number of prototype platforms that test the ever-evolving Mjolnir Generation 3 standard. The most recent design to bear the name was selected by Dr. Halsey from Materials Group's KEYSTONE development program.
 

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In hushed whispers throughout the ranks of the Banished, Jega ‘Rdomnai’s name is spoken of with care. The blademaster’s history is shrouded in rumor and half-truths. Some say he was an experiment, an affront to his own kind. Others make mention of a clandestine ambush gone wrong. Very few know the truth, fewer still speak of it. One thing is certain: he has hunted demons before, and as the first recruit welcomed into the Hand of Atriox, he will do so again.

So, we've got a guy with a shadowy, secret past, who's joined up with this elite force of renegades military badasses, who's so scary everyone on own side will only speak his name in whispers and he's got this cool black armor that's also red and has spikes on it also he has a sword but it's red sword and it's all harsh and angular and he's totally beaten spartans before and also can force choke people and in his intro cutscene he just teleports behind people and cuts them in half while whispering "pssh, nothing personal kid", which is his catchphrase.

Hm, I seem to have slipped into the voice I use for mocking edgy deviantart OCs, can someone figure out what parts of that bio are real and which ones are fake.....because I can't.

... and the new MJOLNIR GEN3 armor, and its default variant, the Mark VII.

Looks alright, but something about that helmet is...off. I think it's those little hexonagle vents around the chin, and the black rim along the front.
 

Dovahkiin

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So, we've got a guy with a shadowy, secret past, who's joined up with this elite force of renegades military badasses, who's so scary everyone on own side will only speak his name in whispers and he's got this cool black armor that's also red and has spikes on it also he has a sword but it's red sword and it's all harsh and angular and he's totally beaten spartans before and also can force choke people and in his intro cutscene he just teleports behind people and cuts them in half while whispering "pssh, nothing personal kid", which is his catchphrase.

Hm, I seem to have slipped into the voice I use for mocking edgy deviantart OCs, can someone figure out what parts of that bio are real and which ones are fake.....because I can't.
To be fair, it's strongly hinted that he's one of the Silent Shadows who joined up with Atriox in a comic...

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... and some of those details would carry over from that.

In any case, it sounds like he's just going to be one of several bosses in a goon squad Chief chews up throughout the campaign. Not anyone particularly significant.
 

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Looks like we're back to relying on toy leaks for consistent news on Infinite, but this time it's much more detailed than the standard Mega Construx stuff, at least. Showing off a Brute Chieftain/Warlord (as they're called in HW2) and Chief with, returning from Halo 5, a Hydra MLRS.

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