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Gundam Gundam Discussion Thread
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Well, since I started playing MSG:BO2, I guess I should start posting here too. For those wondering what I'm talking about, about two says ago the game "Mobile Suit Gundam: Battle Operations 2" was opened for the western public. It's a third person shooter where you control a variety of Mobile Suits, including Gundams, as a mercenary. The gameplay itself is fairly standard from what I was able to experience, but don't expect shenainigans like the animes. The MS control like tanks, and every hit counts. There're also advances to the classes the MS are divided into: Support, Raid, and General. You play either in a Ground map or a Space map. Some MS can only be used for ground maps, others only for space maps. Naturally these specialized MS have advantances over the MS that can be used on both maps.
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I want to take a moment to talk about the unsung heroes of The Federation for a moment. The unsung heroes that are the pilots of the RB-79 Mobile Suit.
The RB-79 is a refit of an initial civilian model construction pod with little done to improve it but slapping a 180mm gun on top of its head. It had paper thin armor for a Gundam so virtually any hit from a distance is fatal and if the gap is closed a pilot was near completely defenseless in close combat as the manipulator arms were simply for lifting and placing girders and materials and are near useless for fighting. The gundams were also among the first mobile suits rolled out by the federation as during the one year war as thousands of these guys were rolled out in desperation.
Imagine being a forklift driver, and one day your country breaks out in war. Then you are told your forklift needs to be used in war, so they slap on a bit of armored plating and a recoilless rifle and tell you you gotta go duke it out with some tank battalions. Thats these guys, they did it, they were expendable, known as "mobile coffins", and their blood and sacrifice was instrumental in defeating Zeon by keeping the federation alive in the early days of the war. Like the PT Boats of WWII, they were expendable. So to me, the real hero isnt the guy who can step in, pilot some hotshot one of a kind mobile suit with top of the line weapons, armor, and specs, its the guy who willingly steps into a tiny suit not even meant for war with a single gun facing off against designed weapons of war, ready to give his all for his country. So salute the Ball Gundam, and its brave pilots who fought and died to save The Federation.
Those guys were as brave as hell, realistically, the absolutely most fearless corps anyone had in the war. People have recognised that, though:
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Personally what I've always been frustrated with was the way they never really picked up and followed Sayla Mass after the original Gundam. She was an amazing character and the dichotomy of her life with her brother's should have provided much dramatic tension.
She was supposed to be in Zeta except her VA went on safari.
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That's really unfortunate. It inspires me a little to perhaps someday do a re-write of Zeta...
Honestly, the best bet for a Zeta rewrite involving Sayla would be a live action Universal Century movie series, one that focuses on making things less stupid and full of retcons.
Problem is that Sunrise probably wouldn't approve of it diverging far enough to fix many of the problems (like the fact that Spacenoids seem to go out of their way to prove the Titans were justified in attempted genocide) or rework the really stupid shit (like Laplace's Box).
Problem is that Sunrise probably wouldn't approve of it diverging far enough to fix many of the problems (like the fact that Spacenoids seem to go out of their way to prove the Titans were justified in attempted genocide) or rework the really stupid shit (like Laplace's Box).
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Guess what - if you've got a PC, you can play G Generation Cross Rays!
Also available via PS4 and Nintendo Switch, but I think you have to import them, unless Bandai Namco decides to randomly drop links to them on the US/EU stores.
Also available via PS4 and Nintendo Switch, but I think you have to import them, unless Bandai Namco decides to randomly drop links to them on the US/EU stores.
If you ever wanted to know how Gunpla is made, here you go:
As someone working in a machine shop, I greatly respect and admire the work these guys do when working the molds.
BACK STAGE OF GUNPLA -- There is no stopping the giant robots of Gundam.
BACK STAGE OF GUNPLA -- There is no stopping the giant robots of Gundam.
asia.nikkei.com
As someone working in a machine shop, I greatly respect and admire the work these guys do when working the molds.
Here's some more stuff in the Build subfranchise:
gundamnews.org
Not feeling real good about that live action thing, mostly because anime to live action doesn't really work well.
Gundam Build Divers Battlogue Anime and Live Action Gundam Build Project Announced
The new Gundam Build entries are a part of the Gunpla Link Project.
gundamnews.org
Not feeling real good about that live action thing, mostly because anime to live action doesn't really work well.
Yeah, but bear in mind, most of the action in Build Divers happens in virtual space. Which means we'll likely see a lot of CG motion cap digital avatars.Here's some more stuff in the Build subfranchise:
Gundam Build Divers Battlogue Anime and Live Action Gundam Build Project Announced
The new Gundam Build entries are a part of the Gunpla Link Project.
Not feeling real good about that live action thing, mostly because anime to live action doesn't really work well.
Well, its not a certainty that its going to be Build Divers... or Build Fighters for that matter. For all we know, they could create some kind of new Build subfranchise.
That said, we would be seeing a lot of CG for the Gunpla battles (if there are any), which may/may not be a good thing. Bandai got some good CG for IBO gunpla ads, but I dunno if they're willing to pay for that quality CG throughout a longer work.
Tzeentchean Perspective
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Thoughts on these videos? I haven't started on Seed yet?
Nitramy
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Okay, here's the nitty and the gritty about it: if you have no experience with the Gundam franchise whatsoever, SEED's a good series to get started with.
If you've already cut your teeth on the Universal Century, SEED would have been a more Gattaca-inspired twist on the UC, except the writer wanted to add Korean drama elements to it... which ultimately torpedoed it, because the kind of character interactions Korean dramas have don't mix well with the moral ambiguity the people of the UC tend to have (factions are a different thing altogether).
If the Cosmic Era was just SEED, the Astray spinoffs and Stargazer, it would have been okay, but Destiny just amplified the "Korean relationship drama dynamic" disconnect with the "morally ambiguous war story narrative" to the point where the plot began to contort around the characters; supposed friction between the head writer and the voice talent also didn't help.
Here's a compiled set of translations about how Gundam AGE was a dumpster fire of a production:
The interviews with the main showrunner (Hino) are very illuminating.
The interviews with the main showrunner (Hino) are very illuminating.
Nitramy
The Umbrella that Smites Evil
In hindsight, Hino would have done a lot better had he directed the RPG version of AGE rather than the anime itself.
You know, like SEED's "Tomo Kimi no Senjou de", the GBA game where you can actually save Natarle.
Most of AGE's faults only showed in the 3rd arc, where we were introduced to naive tree-hugging moron Kio. First and second gens were good, third was shit, 4th arc barely limped across the finish line despite Flit and Captain Ash's badassery due to tree-hugging moron naivete winning the day.
You know, like SEED's "Tomo Kimi no Senjou de", the GBA game where you can actually save Natarle.
Most of AGE's faults only showed in the 3rd arc, where we were introduced to naive tree-hugging moron Kio. First and second gens were good, third was shit, 4th arc barely limped across the finish line despite Flit and Captain Ash's badassery due to tree-hugging moron naivete winning the day.
What I never got was why anyone thought doing the anime and game concurrently was a good idea. They should have given the game a few months to work out a rough script, then started making the show.
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Here's some more stuff in the Build subfranchise:
Gundam Build Divers Battlogue Anime and Live Action Gundam Build Project Announced
The new Gundam Build entries are a part of the Gunpla Link Project.
Not feeling real good about that live action thing, mostly because anime to live action doesn't really work well.
You could do a decent Gundam live action.
At its heart the original Gundam and its sequels are war story. It would be easy to keep the general story without chnagi g much for it to he accepted in a wide market outside anime fans. Unlike Ghost in the Shell which deal with more existential topics like what what makes you human Gundam focus on the horrors of war and fighting for what you believe is right. Much easier topics to convey in a movie format without scenes that may fall flat.
The big problem is that you would need Blockbuster money or at least Games of Thrones money. Just look at the Pacific Rim or Transfromers. You can have nice looking gaint robots fights and Gundam is about the robots as much as it is about the war.
That means big action scenes that cost money. Anime live actions are generally a risk and have seen poor returns. After Ghost in the Shell I expect it will be a while before a large Amercian production company takes a chance on a anime again. While the live action adaptations from Japan lack the special effect and budgets I think to do Gundam justice.
It reminds me when Sci-fi channel tried to do a game/show with Defiance. Durning the off season they even had a way for player to influence the shows plotline though the game.
It also failed.