Gulf War Coalition vs Iraq with Fallout Pre-War Tech.

[Scooby Doo]

Six months before the Gulf War, ROB gives Iraq the following in preparation for the Gulf War.


1,750 Pre-War Main Battle Tanks (Assume they use a VATS system for targeting)
100 Deluxe Stingrays (Assume parity in every regard to an F-16 except the Stingray armor is 4x more resilient than a F-16)
300 XVB02 Vertibirds (Comes with Laser Miniguns and Mini Nukes)
4,000 ASAM's (Assume parity with US Avenger Air Defense System, 100k Missiles supply)
3,000 105mm M101 Howitzers (With one million rounds of ammunition)
200 sets of Lucky 38 Laser Defense Systems
1 Liberty Prime (Reprogrammed with Iraqi Propaganda instead of American)


30,000 Suits of T-45 Power Armor
20,000 Suits of T-60 Power Armor
10,000 Suits of T-51 Power Armor
30,000 AER9 Laser Rifles (One million Microfusion Cells)
20,000 Missile Launchers (500K Missiles)
10,000 Gauss Rifles (One Million rounds)


50,000 Eyebots
25,000 Protectrons
10,000 Assaultrons
5,000 Sentry Bots
5,000 Mister Gustys



The Iraq soldiers and pilots get top notch training for six months with the new equipment as well as organize the logistics involved with it efficiently.


Can Iraq win the Gulf War now?

 

[Husky_Khan]

Iraq you mean?

Unless Iran is taking on both sides... in 1991... which would be based af.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Iraq you mean?

Unless Iran is taking on both sides... in 1991... which would be based af.

Iraq let me fix lol

 

[Husky_Khan]

Iraq let me fix lol

Having a bunch of untrained Iranian fourteen year olds charging the enemy with 22nd century power armor and energy weapons would've been a form of interesting I suppose. I honestly think trained troops would be tremendously effective with these weapons and platforms but drafted zealous child soldiers... would make things interesting to explore. Could be disastrous or could just be amusing.

And Saddam's Iraq would've provided a real nice battlefield speed bump for the Coalition.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Having a bunch of untrained fourteen year olds charging the enemy with 22nd century power armor and energy weapons would've been a form of interesting I suppose. I honestly think trained troops would be tremendously effective with these weapons and platforms but drafted zealous child soldiers... would make things interesting to explore. Could be disastrous or could just be amusing.

And Saddam's Iraq would've provided a real nice battlefield speed bump for the Coalition.

Hmm remember in this scenario they have six months training on top of 5,000 Competent Gustys to take over as officers.

Annnnnd Iraqi Liberty Prime 😂

 

[Husky_Khan]

Hmm remember in this scenario they have six months training on top of 5,000 Competent Gustys to take over as officers.

Annnnnd Iraqi Liberty Prime 😂

Oh yeah I was speaking of the Iranian typos... not the Iraqis.

This would be far worse for the Coalition. The Republican Guard is a battle experienced 150,000 troops, plus another 400,000 so-so quality forces who at a glance, likely wouldn't be as depressed as they were in Operation Desert Storm after six weeks of bombardments.

60,000 Power Armor Suits and 1750 Main Battle Tanks could quite efficiently replace all of the Republican Guard equipment, turning them into a super technologically advanced force. I don't know how effective equipping the lesser forces with more mechanized and armored units would go but it's something worth considering.

The interesting thing is with the air defense. The Coalition was able to effectively spoof Iraqi Air Defenses through the use of stealth bomber strikes, cruise missile strikes and using drones to draw out the enemy air defense missiles. Avenger equivalents might not be as effective as already existing longer range Russian SAMs so its effect or loss might be more neligligible.

The more interesting thing is the laser cannons. One would assume perhaps the laser cannons are connected to Fallout level targeting data that allowed them to shoot down enemy ballistic missiles but also just as interestingly, laser cannons were only used in protecting las Vegas... not everywhere else which makes one wonder if that was widespread capability. Regardless, I'm assuming the laser cannons would be highly effective in shutting down airpower.

With the Tanks, I'll assume the VATS doesn't freeze time or whatever, but is just an advanced targeting system would should help but on the other hand... long range is long range. It'd be useful in targeting enemies that might not even be seen, as well as offering reliable accuracy predictions and guided/targeted shots. But I don't think VATS equipped tanks are an insurmountable threat and just the tanks alone... I don't think would be a big enough concern to stop the Coalition.

Sixty thousand power armored soldiers with missile launchers and gauss rifles would be a far bigger concern. For all of Iraq's new capabilities, I'm not sure if they could counter Stealth Bombers even if the laser cannons can protect from most airpower. But the United States can still smother the enemy with artillery and rocket/missile strikes. They still have thermal sights while the Iraqis have VATS and I think Thermals might be longer ranged optics wise. And Coalition troops are just better trained overall.

But sixty thousand power armored soldiers??? That's like a tenth of the Coalition manpower!!! I'm not sure how the Coalition can unleash enough Dakka to engage that many troops. The Power Armor alone should protect against artillery shrapnel (Boomers notwithstanding I guess) so you'd need to engage them in closer ranges. Tank cannons, autocannons and rocket launchers should be able to peg them sooner or later, but most other small arms would require wearing them down.

I'd like to think the Coalition on average are better than the NCR and the Iraqis worse than the Brotherhood, so instead of a 15-20 to 1 odds, 10 to 1 odds might be more workable but the Coalition doesn't have five or six hundred thousand combat troops... the tooth to tail ratio is pretty big. And there's still the remaining 500,000 Iraqis about. And Liberty Prime.

I actually don't put too much stock in the new Iraqi Air Force. I don't think it'll help them much. Vertibirds kinda similar... and if I was Saddam I'd be chancy on using Mini-Nukes since... the Coalition has Nuke-Nukes and even House's Laser Cannons fell far short of 100% accuracy intercepting nuclear missiles.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Oh yeah I was speaking of the Iranian typos... not the Iraqis.

This would be far worse for the Coalition. The Republican Guard is a battle experienced 150,000 troops, plus another 400,000 so-so quality forces who at a glance, likely wouldn't be as depressed as they were in Operation Desert Storm after six weeks of bombardments.

60,000 Power Armor Suits and 1750 Main Battle Tanks could quite efficiently replace all of the Republican Guard equipment, turning them into a super technologically advanced force. I don't know how effective equipping the lesser forces with more mechanized and armored units would go but it's something worth considering.

The interesting thing is with the air defense. The Coalition was able to effectively spoof Iraqi Air Defenses through the use of stealth bomber strikes, cruise missile strikes and using drones to draw out the enemy air defense missiles. Avenger equivalents might not be as effective as already existing longer range Russian SAMs so its effect or loss might be more neligligible.

The more interesting thing is the laser cannons. One would assume perhaps the laser cannons are connected to Fallout level targeting data that allowed them to shoot down enemy ballistic missiles but also just as interestingly, laser cannons were only used in protecting las Vegas... not everywhere else which makes one wonder if that was widespread capability. Regardless, I'm assuming the laser cannons would be highly effective in shutting down airpower.

With the Tanks, I'll assume the VATS doesn't freeze time or whatever, but is just an advanced targeting system would should help but on the other hand... long range is long range. It'd be useful in targeting enemies that might not even be seen, as well as offering reliable accuracy predictions and guided/targeted shots. But I don't think VATS equipped tanks are an insurmountable threat and just the tanks alone... I don't think would be a big enough concern to stop the Coalition.

Sixty thousand power armored soldiers with missile launchers and gauss rifles would be a far bigger concern. For all of Iraq's new capabilities, I'm not sure if they could counter Stealth Bombers even if the laser cannons can protect from most airpower. But the United States can still smother the enemy with artillery and rocket/missile strikes. They still have thermal sights while the Iraqis have VATS and I think Thermals might be longer ranged optics wise. And Coalition troops are just better trained overall.

But sixty thousand power armored soldiers??? That's like a tenth of the Coalition manpower!!! I'm not sure how the Coalition can unleash enough Dakka to engage that many troops. The Power Armor alone should protect against artillery shrapnel (Boomers notwithstanding I guess) so you'd need to engage them in closer ranges. Tank cannons, autocannons and rocket launchers should be able to peg them sooner or later, but most other small arms would require wearing them down.

I'd like to think the Coalition on average are better than the NCR and the Iraqis worse than the Brotherhood, so instead of a 15-20 to 1 odds, 10 to 1 odds might be more workable but the Coalition doesn't have five or six hundred thousand combat troops... the tooth to tail ratio is pretty big. And there's still the remaining 500,000 Iraqis about. And Liberty Prime.

I actually don't put too much stock in the new Iraqi Air Force. I don't think it'll help them much. Vertibirds kinda similar... and if I was Saddam I'd be chancy on using Mini-Nukes since... the Coalition has Nuke-Nukes and even House's Laser Cannons fell far short of 100% accuracy intercepting nuclear missiles.

Hmm what do you think of the robots and extra artillery available?

 

[Husky_Khan]

Hmm what do you think of the robots and extra artillery available?

I honestly don't think it'll have that much impact. The Iraqi's had hundreds of towed (and self propelled artillery) and while they actually had a pretty decent logistics operation in the Iran-Iraq War I don't think adding thousands of 105mm howitzers will improve their effectiveness significantly. Iraqi Artillery wasn't very adaptable in performance and adding more tubes and ammunition won't help that much... or even having Gutsies yelling at them I feel.

Eyebots might have a fair bit of use if the Iraqis can use them for scouting, the fact they are so advanced would help simplify operating them perhaps. Protectrons are pretty balls in general. Raiders and hunting rifles can kill them. Sentry Bots are more powerful then bog standard Power Armor Troops in Fallout 3/NV in game but I think of them as less useful on a battlefield. They have that bit on the back which can make them go berserk which sounds like its begging artillery shrapnel or overpressure to ding it to go mad... but more importantly Sentry Bots just aren't as versatile as a Power Armored trooper who can run and sprint, and crouch and hide or change weapons etc. Threat to smaller or lighter vehicles but I think they can be handled more easily just due to their operating nature.

Gutsies would be deployed to encourage the Iraqi draftees to fighting their best. They seem like they could be very persuasive in that regard. And punitive if Allah requires it.

Assaultrons are scary. They have the beam cannon head but it doesn't feel like a long range weapon. They honestly seem like they'd be better used for urban suppression if the country fractures due to rebellion. Assaultrons seem pretty well suited to murderizing insurgents in close combat and the like, sprinting across streets, blasting holes through walls and stabbing everything to death before you can focus gunfire on them.

But yeah I think it's the sixty thousand power armored soldiers that would hand Iraq something close to a W.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I honestly don't think it'll have that much impact. The Iraqi's had hundreds of towed (and self propelled artillery) and while they actually had a pretty decent logistics operation in the Iran-Iraq War I don't think adding thousands of 105mm howitzers will improve their effectiveness significantly. Iraqi Artillery wasn't very adaptable in performance and adding more tubes and ammunition won't help that much... or even having Gutsies yelling at them I feel.

Eyebots might have a fair bit of use if the Iraqis can use them for scouting, the fact they are so advanced would help simplify operating them perhaps. Protectrons are pretty balls in general. Raiders and hunting rifles can kill them. Sentry Bots are more powerful then bog standard Power Armor Troops in Fallout 3/NV in game but I think of them as less useful on a battlefield. They have that bit on the back which can make them go berserk which sounds like its begging artillery shrapnel or overpressure to ding it to go mad... but more importantly Sentry Bots just aren't as versatile as a Power Armored trooper who can run and sprint, and crouch and hide or change weapons etc. Threat to smaller or lighter vehicles but I think they can be handled more easily just due to their operating nature.

Gutsies would be deployed to encourage the Iraqi draftees to fighting their best. They seem like they could be very persuasive in that regard. And punitive if Allah requires it.

Assaultrons are scary. They have the beam cannon head but it doesn't feel like a long range weapon. They honestly seem like they'd be better used for urban suppression if the country fractures due to rebellion. Assaultrons seem pretty well suited to murderizing insurgents in close combat and the like, sprinting across streets, blasting holes through walls and stabbing everything to death before you can focus gunfire on them.

But yeah I think it's the sixty thousand power armored soldiers that would hand Iraq something close to a W.

And how about the verdict.

Fallout Laser Rifle vs Tank?

Could it take one down or mission kill one with a couple of shots? Making them nightmarish anti tank infantry.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I dunno. I tend not to think that AER9 Laser Rifles would be all that hot against main battle tanks. I think the Wattz ones from earlier Fallouts are pretty epic. I think they'll be pretty good against lightly armored targets since they can obviously reduce people to ash but I always saw them as pretty comparable, at least in game, to other higher end small arms. Plus I mean I think they already have missile launchers and gauss rifles in the thousands, plus whatever anti-tank weapons they had BEFORE they got this bonus. A Power Armored soldier with a RPG or whatever would still be pretty deadly.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I dunno. I tend not to think that AER9 Laser Rifles would be all that hot against main battle tanks. I think the Wattz ones from earlier Fallouts are pretty epic. I think they'll be pretty good against lightly armored targets since they can obviously reduce people to ash but I always saw them as pretty comparable, at least in game, to other higher end small arms. Plus I mean I think they already have missile launchers and gauss rifles in the thousands, plus whatever anti-tank weapons they had BEFORE they got this bonus. A Power Armored soldier with a RPG or whatever would still be pretty deadly.

I think the advantage of the AER9 is that its projectile essentially has no travel time or recoil, its also far better in terms of handling and efficiency.

By the time one Missile is fired and reload the guy with the Laser Rifle if they're a crack shot could have melted the treads of multiple tanks or destroyed the barrels making them dead weight.

 

[Sailor.X]

Iraq would lose hard. For one simple reason. The second Allied Forces detect the use of Nuclear weapons even if small. The US will break out all of the tactical nuclear weapons the Navy and the Air Force had in it's arsenal. And anything on the Iraqi side will get tac nuked to death.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Iraq would lose hard. For one simple reason. The second Allied Forces detect the use of Nuclear weapons even if small. The US will break out all of the tactical nuclear weapons the Navy and the Air Force had in it's arsenal. And anything on the Iraqi side will get tac nuked to death.

Gotta agree with this, their best bet is not using the nuclear weapons they have on hand unless they want to be tac-nuked to ashes.
Otherwise I think they might be able to pull this off, that's quite a lot of heavy weapons and Fallout tech tends to be powerful if crude due to no transistors.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Gotta agree with this, their best bet is not using the nuclear weapons they have on hand unless they want to be tac-nuked to ashes.
Otherwise I think they might be able to pull this off, that's quite a lot of heavy weapons and Fallout tech tends to be powerful if crude due to no transistors.

Nit pick FO does have Transistors they're just in a niche role in the setting
Transistor

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Nit pick FO does have Transistors they're just in a niche role in the setting
Transistor

Yeah I should've said 'significantly rarer usage of transistors'.
They're certainly around, but it seems a lot of military-tech doesn't use them, makes sense given they were expecting nuclear exposure and older electronics is more hardened against it.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yeah I should've said 'significantly rarer usage of transistors'.
They're certainly around, but it seems a lot of military-tech doesn't use them, makes sense given they were expecting nuclear exposure and older electronics is more hardened against it.

Apparently someone retconned it so that the robots use transistors but have potentially limited EMP shielding of some sorts.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Apparently someone retconned it so that the robots use transistors but have potentially limited EMP shielding of some sorts.

Link/source to this? Mr Handies (at least the FO3 version) use it, not sure about others.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Link/source to this? Mr Handies (at least the FO3 version) use it, not sure about others.

Frog Helms Fan Club

I know Cain and Boyarsky have said that they created Fallout and came up with the whole "no transistor" to justify how everything looked but I wanted to maybe hear your opinion on it? I know its out…

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[ThatZenoGuy]

Frog Helms Fan Club

I know Cain and Boyarsky have said that they created Fallout and came up with the whole "no transistor" to justify how everything looked but I wanted to maybe hear your opinion on it? I know its out…

www.tumblr.com

Vacuum tubes are resistant but not immune to EMP effects, Jsawyer is mistaken in that regard.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Vacuum tubes are resistant but not immune to EMP effects, Jsawyer is mistaken in that regard.

Probably wrong but I don't think that eliminates the belief that transistors would exist on robots.

Just another classic example of retcons. We do know Eyebots used circuit boards and they were mass produced