Television Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda

Husky_Khan

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So I just noticed Gene Roddenberry's Kevin Sorbo's Andromeda is currently free on three different streaming platforms (granted they're all probably ad supported) and I immediately acted upon that and am currently watching Season One, Episode One 'Under the Night.'


In case any of you are not aware, Andromeda is a science fiction television series about a highly advanced warship called the Andromeda Ascendant (any Halo fans will take note that Andromeda naming conventions are much like that of the Covenant and very wordsmithy, for example the Andromeda Ascendant is a Glorious Heritage-class vessel) which is a powerful battleship equivalent warship of the three galaxy spanning constitutional monarchy Systems Commonwealth. The Systems Commonwealth at the start of the first episode had just negotiated a peace deal with a ravenous extra-galactic (aren't they always?) threat known as the Magog and had to cede certain key worlds during the peace process.

The Systems Commonwealth, being a Commonwealth of dozens of species and thousands of worlds, happened to upset one very important species in their Commonwealth (amongst others) and this in turn resulted in a Civil War in the wake of the brutal war against the Magog they just had. Long story short... the Systems Commonwealth fell apart in ruin and due to the viciousness of the fighting, no successor state successfully replaced the Systems Commonwealth and thus it fell into a 'Long Night' which was a three century long period of galaxies spanning wars, conflict and various levels of misery and anarchy

The focus of the television show is on one warship, the aforementioned Andromeda Ascendant emerging from being trapped for three hundred years in a time dilation spatial anomaly. The only person on board is Dylan Hunt, the Captain (as portrayed by Kevin Sorbo) who had the ship evacuated prior to the spatial anomaly trap. The intact vessel is found by a salvage freighter and the series goes off from there. Captain Dylan Hunt was trapped in the time dialation in a period right before the Systems Commonwealth fractured into Civil War and thus is in quite a shock at seeing how things developed in the intervening three centuries... but he quickly decides his goal is to restore the Systems Commonwealth and 'rekindle the light of civilization.'

The first few seasons (there are five in total) were excellent Science Fiction, at least for the early 2000's era. I haven't seen it in quite some time so it might be dated... but it's well worth checking out, especially since the price for you is likely free. The setting of Andromeda can be considered space opera but it has its own distinctiveness. Much of the combat ranges are measured in light seconds and many of the weapons used tend to be drones and missiles (often launching dozens if not hundreds of missiles at 90+ the percentage of the speed of light at enemies), the faster then light tech involved is called Slipstream, artificial intelligences are fairly commonplace in the old Systems Commonwealth, widespread genetic engineering, and yet curiously enough, AFAIK there is no real reliable way of FTL communication beyond... physically sending ships (courier ships) to the location. Also they have bombs that can cause supernovas. These bombs are known as... wait for it... Nova Bombs.

So... that's cool I guess.

Along with Kevin Sorbo doing an excellent job as Captain Dylan Hunt, you have Lexa Doig in a notable role as Andromeda, the warships computer AI as well as an android created by said ship named 'Rommie.' Plus Keith Hamilton Cobb plays Tyr Anasazi... whose stoic eccentricities might remind one of Teal'c of Stargate fame but they aren't that similar of characters to be honest despite the many comparisons. But the truth is... all of the characters in the main cast are rather likeable. Seamus Harper. Trance Gemini. Rev. It's been years since I seen the show on home media and haphazardly at that and I still remember the names and characters because they're so likable and distinct and fleshed out.

So yeah... enough babbling... Andromeda is a really good series (at least initially) and if your a Science Fiction fan you should give it a real chance and check it out for yourself... or check it out again and see how far you make it. :sneaky:

 
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It is a good show; but only the first two seasons are worth watching, in my opinion. After that, the guy who originally developed Andromeda, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, was ousted over "creative differences" (studio execs and series star Kevin Sorbo wanted a dumber show, and he wasn't interested in obliging them), and the writing immediately took a nosedive in quality.

Honestly, it's something that happened to pretty much every science fiction show Tribune Entertainment was involved with (Earth: Final Conflict, for another example); dumbed down in an attempt to reach a wider audience, which only succeeds in alienating the audience they already had. There's a reason they went defunct a long time ago.
 

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Yeah I don't remember watching much of this show at all. I'm thinking it loomed a lot larger in my memory then in actuality. I went through the first six episodes and I don't think I recognize anything from any of the episodes I've seen so far, but they've been pretty good overall.

The opening two parter had some cringey parts with some of the fight scenes and special effect interior shots, and the CGI looks like a pretty good video game quality but overall the opener was decent. But it also felt like the weakest episode of the first six (or five I suppose since the opening is a two parter).

The episode with the High Guard offspring living on a Space Station was nice and had some cool moral quandries and world building and character development. There were some parts that made me go 'Hmmm' in regards to crew and kids competency but overall a good episode.

Then there was an entire episode dedicated to fighting a mystery peer opponent starship and of course that was second fiddle to the ongoing character development. I actually really enjoyed that episode and it actually had me misled in thinking how things would play out with the different characters.

Then there was the episode introducing the Nietzscheans more prominently with the Orcas which actually provided some neat insight into their society and culture and motivations. Tyr Anasazi is really a good, effective character and keeps getting very nice development because of it and his interesting background. And it's nice seeing the insight into the Nietzscheans as well. People keep comparing Tyr Anasazi to Teal'c or Worf and outsize of a big black warrior man, I don't see many parallels. Their cultures share some similarities but its far, far, far from direct parallels IMHO.

And then the Time Travel episode to the Battle of Witchhead. The leadup to the episode was alright, though I feel more could've been done with their interaction with the High Guard recon vessel, but that ending. Just wow... I could feel the drama and impact of the moment and despite the dated graphics, I loved the space battle as well. That episode was exceptionally well put together towards the end and there were lots of great character moments as well. Like with Tyr and Trance, and Dylan Hunt and Rev. Much better time travel story then the last four or five Terminator films for sure.

I will enjoy these first two seasons to their fullest I feel... before the agonizing descent into the long night of the latter seasons, before finally plunging into Season Five... who knows if I'll make it.
 

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Honestly, it's something that happened to pretty much every science fiction show Tribune Entertainment was involved with (Earth: Final Conflict, for another example); dumbed down in an attempt to reach a wider audience, which only succeeds in alienating the audience they already had. There's a reason they went defunct a long time ago.
Don't remind me. The first two seasons of "Alien Invasion East India Company Style" are one of my favorite SciFi, then it became another actiony-series.
 

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I always liked Trance and by play in the early episodes. You can see Hunt having an idea of her abilities and that she more then she seems in the prison episode.

The by play between Hunt and Tyr are some of the better scenes. Like when Hunt hides Dracos bones from Tyr and they have the talk about shape of things to come.To bad creative differences stated to ruin his character after the second season.

One thing Andromdea does well is show how a large Empire falling works out. Not ever planet suffered of fell to the darkness. Some parts broke off in small groups, others fell to AI dictators while some fell back in tech and everything. The unevenness of it all really adds to the world building.
 
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It is a good show; but only the first two seasons are worth watching, in my opinion. After that, the guy who originally developed Andromeda, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, was ousted over "creative differences" (studio execs and series star Kevin Sorbo wanted a dumber show, and he wasn't interested in obliging them), and the writing immediately took a nosedive in quality.

Honestly, it's something that happened to pretty much every science fiction show Tribune Entertainment was involved with (Earth: Final Conflict, for another example); dumbed down in an attempt to reach a wider audience, which only succeeds in alienating the audience they already had. There's a reason they went defunct a long time ago.


Steve Basic's Gaheris Rhade became an instant hit with the show as well. So much so they brought him back in his 'Genetic Reincarnation' of Telemachus Rhade. His rebooted character didn't quite have the same...'gravitas' Gaheris did. But Unconqurable Man remains one of Andromedas best episodes.

I actually wrote a story on this where Gaheris gets a second chance. Loved the character and his conflicted Nature.
 

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I'm not sure people can blame Sorbo for this, as Dylan Hunt's character was fucked up the rear harder than Tyr's was.

And you can tell he stopped caring by how dead the opening narration sounded.


Wasn't he working with Majel Roddenberry to stop the Executives from changing the show? A battle they ultimately lost if I remember.
 

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Wasn't he working with Majel Roddenberry to stop the Executives from changing the show? A battle they ultimately lost if I remember.

I think so, the impression I got was that Sorbo specifically auditioned for that role because he wanted to be more than a big bastard who spoke in one liners and half assed everything.

Him, Cobb and Staite seemed to genuinely give a shit about the show and didn't appreciate its decline. They even made Lexa Doig step up her acting game.

Plus if he really was the gargantuan egotist everyone says he was, there wouldn't have been so many Tyr and Rommie or Beka centric episodes. Yet they make up something like 30% of the quality seasons..
 

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Originally it was supposed to be about a Federation starship dealing with the fall of the United Federation of Planets.
Now wouldn't have that been interesting. Not just for the direction Star Trek could have gone, but the effect that would have on pop-culture as a whole...

I cannot help but wonder when the Fall of the Federation would have taken place in ST, if Andromeda had been set in it, and who the 'Magog' would have been in that case? Assuming they wouldn't be a completely new species of course.
 

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I think the Magog were going to be Klingons or was that Nietzschians? I think the Nietzschians were supposed to be augments.
 

ShadowLord

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I think the Magog were going to be Klingons or was that Nietzschians? I think the Nietzschians were supposed to be augments.
Neat! Any idea where you heard about this from? Not that i doubt you, I'd just like to look into this more on my own and would like to have some place solid to start.
 

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Now wouldn't have that been interesting. Not just for the direction Star Trek could have gone, but the effect that would have on pop-culture as a whole...

I cannot help but wonder when the Fall of the Federation would have taken place in ST, if Andromeda had been set in it, and who the 'Magog' would have been in that case? Assuming they wouldn't be a completely new species of course.


I'm surprised you didnt know that. It was fairly well known but the Execs didnt want to Do it so soon after TNG and DS9.

I think the Magog were going to be Klingons or was that Nietzschians? I think the Nietzschians were supposed to be augments.

The Neitzcheans would have been Khan like Augments who had found a way to live peacefully with the Federation and eventually become one of their most influential members...well, before the fall. The Maggog weren't changed at all. Just switched from one Roddenberry setting to another. They would always have been an extra-Galactic threat.
 

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Truth be told it's from what I have heard over the years. I wish I could remember where I first heard it. Apparently, Majel managed to put it together, with help, using some of Gene's older scripts and notes.
 

ShadowLord

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I'm surprised you didnt know that. It was fairly well known but the Execs didnt want to Do it so soon after TNG and DS9.

The Neitzcheans would have been Khan like Augments eho had found a way to live peacefully with the Federation and eventually become one of their most influential members...well before the fall. The Maggog weren't changed at all. Just switched from one Roddenberry setting to another. They would always have been an extra-Galactic threat.

What can I say, my Andromeda or Star Trek lore besides the more basic stuff is pretty small. :(

Huh, well that's neat to know.
 

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Truth be told it's from what I have heard over the years. I wish I could remember where I first heard it. Apparently, Majel managed to put it together, with help, using some of Gene's older scripts and notes.

She did. And some help from Kevin Sorbo. Also the first set of writers in the early seasons. That was before the studio stepped in.
 

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This was a fun show in its first few seasons. I remember the original author penned a final episode script for the fans where he laid out what he had originally intended, and it was far better than what we got.

Oh really? That'd be interested to read up on... when I get to that point in the series. I just finished the first season... and what a season finale it was! :cool:
 

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