Fully Automated Socialist Meme Thread - The Ministry of Ideological Memes

[Lanmandragon]

China's been called a modern fascist state, not just because it exists in the now, but due to it's slight differentiation in methods

Not like Soviet methods we're all that different from the Nazis. Other then Stalin being a better killer then Hitler.

 

[Deleted member 88]

This whole discussion is why fascism is meaningless. Any authoritarian state can be called fascist, which is why the term is pointless.

It literally wastes brain cells to debate this.

Its tiresome and stupid. Fascism is just a boogeyman given name. It doesn't have any legitimate weight in political categories or political science.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Not like Soviet methods we're all that different from the Nazis. Other then Stalin being a better killer then Hitler.

The Soviets completely nationalized and only put up government heads for factories, whereas the Nazis made use of some businessmen in a sort of "We are clearly attached at the hip" sort of relationship

Not exactly a private business with the level of government involvement and relations. Guess that's how they accuse capitalists of being fascists, though the reverse can be used given that I think Democrat's make very close use of businessmen as well

 

[Lanmandragon]

The Soviets completely nationalized and only put up government heads for factories, whereas the Nazis made use of some businessmen in a sort of "We are clearly attached at the hip" sort of relationship

Not exactly a private business with the level of government involvement and relations. Guess that's how they accuse capitalists of being fascists, though the reverse can be used given that I think Democrat's make very close use of businessmen as well

Sure but I made no comment on how they organized thier economies. Just on the mass genocides both ideology are directly responsible for. Also calling your opponents "facist" is about as old school as commies get. "Facist" is just a word to dehumanize the other. The person being facist is tottally irrelevant.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Sure but I made no comment on how they organized thier economies. Just on the mass genocides both ideology are directly responsible for. Also calling your opponents "facist" is about as old school as commies get. "Facist" is just a word to dehumanize the other. The person being facist is tottally irrelevant.

Okay, though admittedly to give Realm credit as you guys also said, you gotta come up with something better to describe the Far Left aside from Communist or Socialist given that their methods involve using big businesses

Calling em those two terms were counterproductive

 

[PsihoKekec]

Stormfront is fairly tame as far as far right goes. The real action was Iron March. Now I suppose there is the Salo forum, but they seem more chill and don't take their fascism unironically.

As a wise man on another forum once said:

Stormfron is the Diet Coke of internet racism

Salo forum on the other hand is more of a high brow dissident discussion with heavy emphasis on Evola and Spengler.

 

[Tzeentchean Perspective]

 

[Abhorsen]

China is authoritarian. Its no longer ideologically communist, but it still says it is. It can not officially renounce communism because that would destroy the legitimacy of the CCP.

Its more I think a continuation of the same sort of rule there has always been in China. An emperor(Xi) and his class of bureaucrats and officialdom(the court).

I'd say it's pretty fascist, except in name. Expansionist, genocidal state capitalist Authoritarians.

 

[Tzeentchean Perspective]

 

[Duke Nukem]

Quadrants as fast food mascots

 

[Deleted member 88]

I'd say it's pretty fascist, except in name. Expansionist, genocidal state capitalist Authoritarians.

So like Tsarist Russia? What does state capitalist mean? That the government is involved in business? Brazil?

It’s a useless term.

 

[Abhorsen]

So like Tsarist Russia? What does state capitalist mean? That the government is involved in business? Brazil?

It’s a useless term.

Tsarist Russia had feudalism, and no real nationalism. I also don't know if they were genocidal.

State capitalism is where you have capitalism, but the majority of large businesses (i.e. not the corner store) are owned/controlled by the state. This is very true in China, where the vast majority of businesses are owned, in whole or in part, by the state, and are commonly used for non-economic reasons to benefit the state (Huawei spying, for example). The companies serve as an extension of the state.

Similarly, German Fascism valued businesses and economics only as a vehicle to fund the rearmament/war effort. It was much more privatized, but still, you couldn't have countries producing civilian goods, in HOI4 parlance. These companies didn't really have a choice in what to produce.

In contrast, in America, many companies don't directly benefit/serve the state. News organizations are frequently antagonistic to it, video game companies don't really interact with it much, etc. Today, Trump could invoke the Defense Production Act, and force companies to produce needed goods, which would make us much more of a state capitalist system while that was enacted.

Why isn't this socialism and still capitalism? No labour theory of value, no worker ownership of means of production, less (but by no means no) central planning, etc. People can still become wildly rich,. and not have to hide it.

 

[PsihoKekec]

 

[Duke Nukem]

PragerU represents the whole political compass!

 

[Tzeentchean Perspective]

 

[Duke Nukem]

Based Libright eagle.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yet another low effort political meme chart.

 

[Cherico]

Bill, please, for the sake of your own sanity, STOP.

I'm actually with Bill on this, we have the single worst homeless epidemic in the country a huge amount of illegal imigrants who don't understand the language, we have litteral poop squads because people crap on the streets we really should have it much worse then New York.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

So something like this actually happened to a tourist?

 

[PsihoKekec]

If you have Syrian citizenship, are between 18-30 years of age and visit Syria, you will be conscripted. It was same in Iraq during their war with Iran.