French elections and politics thread.

[Zachowon]

The thing is, most people in the 21st century don't actually know what 'tradition' looks like. It had already been culturally demolished before their formative years. Only the older among the Baby Boomers and their lingering predecessors remember life before the cultural revolution of the 60's, and that's just in the US.

Post-modernists, socialists, various other ideological fruits of atheism, they'd all thoroughly overrun the upper echelons of academia by the mid-20th century, and their teachings started pushing society towards collapse not long after WWII. Most people in the West don't even know what a society where more families are intact than not, where pre-marital sex is still taboo, where eroticization of almost everything is not socially acceptable, where the government isn't expected to 'solve' everything, even looks like.

It's hard to return to tradition, when basically nobody knows what it even was.

France is not the US. The French have tradition engrain3d a lot more then we do

 

[LordsFire]

France is not the US. The French have tradition engrain3d a lot more then we do

Where's the broad-spectrum call for the restoration of the Monarchy then?

 

[Zachowon]

Where's the broad-spectrum call for the restoration of the Monarchy then?

Growing every year. Tradition for the French has been established since the fall of the French Monarchy in the late 1700s. Through the Empires and Republics till now.

 

[Bacle]

Where's the broad-spectrum call for the restoration of the Monarchy then?

Eh, some Bourbon Restorationists were among France's 'Freedom Convoy'.

Restoring the Bourbon's to power cannot go worse that what France is already dealing with, and a king with real power is about the only thing that can unfuck the level of corruption we are dealing with now, as long as the French military has his back.

I'm no longer sure democracy can keep from turning to oligarchy, and the French have had enough experience switching between the two systems that it wouldn't be huge shock to the system for the nation to return to monarchy.

 

[Zachowon]

Eh, some Bourbon Restorationists were among France's 'Freedom Convoy'.

Restoring the Bourbon's to power cannot go worse that what France is already dealing with, and a king with real power is about the only thing that can unfuck the level of corruption we are dealing with now, as long as the French military has his back.

I'm no longer sure democracy can keep from turning to oligarchy, and the French have had enough experience switching between the two systems that it wouldn't be huge shock to the system for the nation to return to monarchy.

The military would chose ANYONE over Macron.

Just like how the Korean military majority were not happy with the prior president

 

[Captain X]

In what way is having a king and aristocracy any different from being ruled by a President with far too much power and an oligarchy, other than that you theoretically can remove the President if you think he or she is doing a bad job? It just boggles my mind that anyone in their right mind would want a return to that dark ages bullshit as if that somehow is the answer to the modern version of basically that which we are faced with now. Yes, yes, let us replace these unelected rulers with far too much power over our lives with these other unelected rulers with far too much power over our lives. Anyone who actually wants that is a dumbfuck, and I don't care who I piss off with that.

 

[ProfessorCurio]

In what way is having a king and aristocracy any different from being ruled by a President with far too much power and an oligarchy, other than that you theoretically can remove the President if you think he or she is doing a bad job? It just boggles my mind that anyone in their right mind would want a return to that dark ages bullshit as if that somehow is the answer to the modern version of basically that which we are faced with now. Yes, yes, let us replace these unelected rulers with far too much power over our lives with these other unelected rulers with far too much power over our lives. Anyone who actually wants that is a dumbfuck, and I don't care who I piss off with that.

To be fair the French do seem to be sufficiently bad at handling elections and politics that a fallback to such normally undesirable traditions may seem warranted even if it is not.

 

[Bacle]

In what way is having a king and aristocracy any different from being ruled by a President with far too much power and an oligarchy, other than that you theoretically can remove the President if you think he or she is doing a bad job? It just boggles my mind that anyone in their right mind would want a return to that dark ages bullshit as if that somehow is the answer to the modern version of basically that which we are faced with now. Yes, yes, let us replace these unelected rulers with far too much power over our lives with these other unelected rulers with far too much power over our lives. Anyone who actually wants that is a dumbfuck, and I don't care who I piss off with that.

Eh, sometimes having a central authority figure to both direct a nation, and take the blame for gov fuck ups, is useful in cleaning out corruption.

Democracy is great, as long as the ballot box is trustworthy and the election system is not controlled by oligarchs.

When the ballot box is no longer trustworthy and the oligarchs have effective control, what real difference is there between the sham democracy it props up and a monarchy where you have no say in the leadership selection, but also have no pretense of having power over the selection like you do in a democracy.

And if a king or queen fucks up too bad, well the French know how to handle that too.

 

[Agent23]

Nice analysis by The Duran.

 

[Abhorsen]

Tradition thread split off to here:

https://the-sietch.com/index.php?threads/tradition.7963/

 

[Agent23]

Anyways. back on topic, question for the French here, is there a legal mechanism to oust a sitting French president.
As opposed to the traditional French mechanism, aka rioting, civil war, and guillotines?