EU France is on fire. Again.

Bear Ribs

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So after it got voted down over and over, Macron finally just went and forced a raise to retirement age on his own, asking Elisabeth Borne to bypass the senate and just make his will law without any voting. Every nation that didn't consider how to manage its birthrates and is suddenly dealing with an aging population has come up wit hthe same solution, "well we'll just work the old people to death and then it's their problem."

The French made it Macron's problem.

Indications are there's going to be a vote of no confidence shortly, and quite likely Macron will be ousted.



 

Skallagrim

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Every nation that didn't consider how to manage its birthrates and is suddenly dealing with an aging population has come up wit hthe same solution, "well we'll just work the old people to death and then it's their problem."

The French made it Macron's problem.

To be quite clear: France's retirement age is now 62. They're raising it to 64.

In actual Northern European countries (which France is not), it was traditionally 65, and has been raised to 67 in most cases (and is going to be raised further to 70, no doubt). Why? Because of the way the EU is set up. Basically, Northern Europe has paid, for decades, so that French fucks could stay lazy and retire early.

The French retirement age -- and the retirement age in all Southern European "lazy fucker" countries -- should be raised. Not to 64, but to 65. And the retirement age in Northern Europe should be lowered again, also to 65.

That should be the regular retirement age across the board, in all the EU. That would be reasonable. And the commie French fuckers should be hosed with bullets if they protest. Right now, France is inhabited by parasites who economically leech off Northern, Germanic Europe. (And the Northern European governments are complicit in this, because they are traitors.)
 
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Robovski

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While I do agree the retirement age is low, this is the promised retirement these people have worked to. In the north, the age has been extended by screwing over the younger retirees who still had decades of employment left with a phased adjustment. Fiat should not be accepted and France rightfully has rejected it. This was a problem needing addressed decades ago and now they have to sleep in the bed they made.
 

LordsFire

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Grimly amusing that the French are finally going to force him out for one of the few actually sane policies he's pushing.

Government sponsored retirement is absurd on the face of it, but having it be almost twenty years before the average age of mortality is outright insanity. Are you going to pay a third of your salary into taxes just for your retirement program, not counting anything else?

Because that's the kind of cost it practically has, before you get into how the government will fritter that money away uselessly.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Unpopular idea: I think if one can avoid it, don't retire. You don't have to do full time or anything, but it helps keep the brain ticking and gives you something to do alongside a source of socialization and income.

You don't have to feel like a miserable, dependent, invalid.

Plus, you probably don’t want to be unpleasantly surprised and left scrambling for your trouble, if the government pensions you were banking on suddenly dry up.

I don’t know how other countries do it, but as an American, my baseline assumption is that when it comes to retirement plans, Social Security either won’t be around or won’t be able to deliver by the time I turn 67 (or older). At that point, it’ll probably pay dividends to still be “productive”, so that at the very least, the job market remains open to me when it’s largely closed off to peers of mine who didn’t listen. :oops:
 

Agent23

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Well, the boomers decided to vote themselves overly generous blanket pensions but neglected to have enough children to support the tax base, and many of these generous retirement plans only accounted for sum 70 years average lifespan, so...
As much as I despise Jupiter I am kinda in agreement with the damned slimy ass about pensions reform.
And I view pensions as a Ponzi scheme that steals from the young to buy the votes of the old.
It is a fucki g deaths spiral thst robs the productive and the ones thet can actually have children which will eventually support the tax base to pay for aged, entitled boomers.AKA the same profligate, pro-population control buffoons who are behind most of our correct problems.

Also, I think that having a blanket retirement age is dumb, a lot of physically demanding professions really fuck your body, so different people should retire at different ages.

Most office drones for example can probably continue with the shit they do to after 65, hell, a lot stay on because they think that their "contributions" have meaning and becsus they feel irrelevant and miserable without their bullshit secretarial jobs.
 

Agent23

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Is it just me or does the idea of having expensive retirement policies and having more children each generation to pay for them that will allegedly also eventually benefit sound like a Ponzi scheme?
One is an upward spiral that leads to a larger telent pool, a younger and more productive population and more innovations, with a society that is more homogenous.

The other leads to higher taxes on productive people, a population decline and an attempt by idiot aged politicians to fix the problems they created by flooding the place with migrants.

Thst said, I think that private pension plans are s good thing and thet people should take more responsibility for their future.

If they want to pay into the system they can do that, or they can just invest their earnings and retire when they have enough assets to afford it.
 

Skallagrim

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Is it just me or does the idea of having expensive retirement policies and having more children each generation to pay for them that will allegedly also eventually benefit sound like a Ponzi scheme?

One is an upward spiral that leads to a larger telent pool, a younger and more productive population and more innovations, with a society that is more homogenous.

The other leads to higher taxes on productive people, a population decline and an attempt by idiot aged politicians to fix the problems they created by flooding the place with migrants.

Thst said, I think that private pension plans are s good thing and thet people should take more responsibility for their future.

If they want to pay into the system they can do that, or they can just invest their earnings and retire when they have enough assets to afford it.

The obvious solution is a savings system, where you pay into your specific pension account. As opposed to the common system, where you pay into a common pile that gets spent now, and others will later pay into a common pile that i then spent on your (by then retired) generation.

That latter system is a ponzi scheme that doesn't work if the birth-rate ever drops. (So, the current situation.)
 

Agent23

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The obvious solution is a savings system, where you pay into your specific pension account. As opposed to the common system, where you pay into a common pile that gets spent now, and others will later pay into a common pile that i then spent on your (by then retired) generation.

That latter system is a ponzi scheme that doesn't work if the birth-rate ever drops. (So, the current situation.)
I agree, although I doubt we will be able to get rid of entitlements completely, since let us face it, most people are dumb and shortsighted and we will never get rid of state-backed and taste provided pensions, but IMHO those should be linked to not just years of work but also social contribution, like medical/education/law enforcement/military, financial contribution to taxes and most importantly number and quality of children.
 

Agent23

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Frankly, it's the best way to deal with it.

EDIT: I wish I'd have been alive and in the right area so I could have opted out of Social Security.

Yeah, one nice thing about being an independent contractor with my own LLC is that I can decide how much I pay into the local retirement scam and how much goes into other things like stocks, bonds and the like after the 15% tax on profits after insurance and other contributions and expenses,although thanks to the profligate spending of the Harvard euroatlanticist reetards that decided to bribe pensioners to vote for them with pension increases while they were preventing people from working due to the stupid batflu the local shithead central bankster sheswine is trying to push for an "excessive profits" tax on companies that make more than 20% above what they made for the past 2 years, and business has been good...
All because of a prognosticated below 7% deficit that will block us from entering the eurozone.
Funny enough we are one of the countries with the lowest deficit in Yurup, maybe because people are skeptical about lending to a country that is the poorest in Yurup and had hyperilfation and because Gubrmint racking up debts is one of the things that pisses most of the population off, we allr emember when 1000 levs were renominated as 1.

That is of course if we do not change the budget, for which we need a regular government, but I am a libertarian, so like 70% of my countrymen I do not want any of the clowns to rule over us, hell, I do not want the fucking expert/appointed cabinet to rule over us, I don't want gubrmint, period.
 

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