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Zachowon

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No, it'd mean fighting for said people. Here's how a war with China over Taiwan would actually play out:
  1. Large numbers of young American men who've been rendered economically redundant by automation and globalization and whom changing societal norms have denied any chance of marriage and family are drafted and sent off to get shot by large numbers of drafted young Chinese men who're in essentially the same situation thanks to the One Child gender imbalance. In this manner, the American and Chinese status quos both remove threats to themselves
  2. Large sums of money, either taken directly from American taxpayers or printed, devaluing the preexisting savings of American citizens are given to military-industry complex megacorps to create even more redundant military equipment.
  3. Various laws to censor dissidence against the status quo and spy upon everyone are forced through, justified by 'wartime emergency'. Needless to say, once the war is over, they're never going away.
  4. The war is an enormous bloody stalemate at best, insofar as, if either side looks like they're winning the conventional war, their opponent can threaten to go nuclear. At worst, said bluff is called and plebeians on both sides die en masse while the wealthy and politically powerful who created said war in the first place vanish off to their private and/or government-funded bunkers, to emerge once the fallout dies down and use their hoarded technological goodies inside said bunkers to rule even more authoritatively over the survivors who've been reduced to pretechnological barbarianism as essentially feudal nobility.



Perhaps calling it the American Empire is a misidentification, it's the corporatist empire, it just uses the money of American taxpayers and the lives of American soldiers as its cannon fodder.

Maybe all empires are like that, during the glory days of the european colonial empires, the average european plebeian was stuck in grinding poverty, wage slavery, being used as disposable cannon fodder or some combination of the above while the rulers enriched themselves off the plunder of the world.

It'll be interesting to see if in a century, the middle eastern invasions will have been treated likewise and added to the Original Sin of 'your ancestors did colonialism' that we're expected to apologize for.

They are in the sole way that actually matters, specifically, MAD deterrence. Any limited non-nuclear war would be unwinnable, since as soon as once side looked like it'd succeed, the other could simply threaten to blow up the world. All it'd do is waste money and lives.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
No, there would be no draft. We have a large enough standing military we can hold Taiwan with the help of the Taiwanese.

China would not go nuclear over Taiwan. If they were willing to go that far to take Taiwan they would have done it already.

There would also be a terrible economic downturn from this, and it would actually hurt the higher ups then help.

Let's put this into perspective about the nuke thing.
Even North Korea isn't going to use them, and they are unstable. The only country that may use them for anything but negotiations in a losing war, if Iran.
And even then, no country will immediately threaten nukes the second they are losing, nit even China. China has numbers and will use those until they are hurt badly, plus by the time such a war happens China would be hurt badly economically, and the war would be a boost to our economy and not thiers, especially since it would give a good reason for sabatoge on the dam...
 

Bassoe

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There would also be a terrible economic downturn from this, and it would actually hurt the higher ups then help.
There are frequent 'economic downturns' outright caused by the higher ups. Money isn't the point when you own the mints, control is, and repeatedly temporarily causing the value of money to crash, during which you buy up property and drive plebeian businesses which compete with yours into bankruptcy to acquire even more of a monopoly for your megacorp is a classic tactic for the wealthy and powerful to acquire even more wealth and power.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
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There are frequent 'economic downturns' outright caused by the higher ups. Money isn't the point when you own the mints, control is, and repeatedly temporarily causing the value of money to crash, during which you buy up property and drive plebeian businesses which compete with yours into bankruptcy to acquire even more of a monopoly for your megacorp is a classic tactic for the wealthy and powerful to acquire even more wealth and power.
When nearly every major company will have to leave China because of China most likely banning them for supporting the defense of Taiwan?
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
No, there would be no draft. We have a large enough standing military we can hold Taiwan with the help of the Taiwanese.

China would not go nuclear over Taiwan. If they were willing to go that far to take Taiwan they would have done it already.

There would also be a terrible economic downturn from this, and it would actually hurt the higher ups then help.

Let's put this into perspective about the nuke thing.
Even North Korea isn't going to use them, and they are unstable. The only country that may use them for anything but negotiations in a losing war, if Iran.
And even then, no country will immediately threaten nukes the second they are losing, nit even China. China has numbers and will use those until they are hurt badly, plus by the time such a war happens China would be hurt badly economically, and the war would be a boost to our economy and not thiers, especially since it would give a good reason for sabatoge on the dam...


Mutually Assured Destruction is a charade that nobody in any government actually believes anyone would go through with.
 

Zachowon

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That assumes they would support the defense of Taiwan. After all, it isn't like the modern US would have the balls to ban them from our country for not supporting it.
Nkt with the current admin no.
But we are obligated and the president did show he was willing to support Taiwam wkth giving them arms
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
No, it'd mean fighting for said people. Here's how a war with China over Taiwan would actually play out:
  1. Large numbers of young American men who've been rendered economically redundant by automation and globalization and whom changing societal norms have denied any chance of marriage and family are drafted and sent off to get shot by large numbers of drafted young Chinese men who're in essentially the same situation thanks to the One Child gender imbalance. In this manner, the American and Chinese status quos both remove threats to themselves
  2. Large sums of money, either taken directly from American taxpayers or printed, devaluing the preexisting savings of American citizens are given to military-industry complex megacorps to create even more redundant military equipment.
  3. Various laws to censor dissidence against the status quo and spy upon everyone are forced through, justified by 'wartime emergency'. Needless to say, once the war is over, they're never going away.
  4. The war is an enormous bloody stalemate at best, insofar as, if either side looks like they're winning the conventional war, their opponent can threaten to go nuclear. At worst, said bluff is called and plebeians on both sides die en masse while the wealthy and politically powerful who created said war in the first place vanish off to their private and/or government-funded bunkers, to emerge once the fallout dies down and use their hoarded technological goodies inside said bunkers to rule even more authoritatively over the survivors who've been reduced to pretechnological barbarianism as essentially feudal nobility.
It's interesting how you can have some good points, one completely wrong, and miss others that are equally as important.

Let's get started on those:

1. The Chinese cannot sustain a long-term war with the USA. They are utterly dependent upon naval trade, and if the US Navy interdicts that, the Chinese not only have no meaningful ability to stop them, but basically every other nation in Southeast Asia will happily back the US to the hilt in doing so. Their economy will crash in weeks, and while communists are often resistant to that kind of problem, when they start to literally starve en masse and run out of fuel oil for their war effort months later, they will not be able to sustain the effort.

2. Just because a lot of untrustworthy politicians and companies could benefit from a war, does not mean that the consequences of letting China take Taiwan would not be even worse. Further, due to the fact that there's a nice hundred mile strip of ocean between China and Taiwan, we wouldn't end up with a need to perpetually garrison Taiwan like happened with South Korea.

3. If the US goes in, Vietnam and Japan at a minimum will also happily take up the opportunity to slap the CCP around. Between Taiwan's strong defensive advantage, the PLA's need to project air power to even have a chance at taking Taiwan, and the US military's overwhelming advantage in air power, the PLA's air power would more or less be wiped out in the first few weeks or couple months of war, after which they'd be forced into an entirely defensive posture, and the only question is how many losses they're willing to suffer before surrendering.

4. Your point about one side threatening nukes if they start losing too badly is complete nonsense. The USA isn't going to try to whole-hog invade mainland China, and that is the only circumstance under which China would be willing to risk a nuclear exchange. Because 'exchange' is exactly what it would be, and Xi Jinping is too much of a brutal pragmatist to destroy his entire empire (and die himself) when the US hits back with a much larger and more powerful arsenal.

5. China's political stability. If China actually makes a move on Taiwan and fails, the lost of their aura of infallibility alone might ruin them. Having a total economic crash on top of that almost guarantees that at a minimum the current party leadership would be couped out, and it's possible the communists would be overthrown outright. If they can't win, and win fast, they'll have more domestic problems, not less. The 'short victorious war' as a political tool almost never works, and tends to cost those who attempt it horribly.

6. It's entirely possible China would lose even without US support. Invading an island nation is no small task. Invading one that's also mountainous and covered in trees, is a brutal proposition. The only reason China has a chance at all, is because sheer weight of numbers can be just as brutal. There's a slim chance that Taiwan could win without any kind of support, but if the US, Vietnam, and Japan start funneling them arms and supplies? China will be in the 'quagmire' the press like to chatter about' so much. If Vietnam decides to jump in on Taiwan's side once China has a huge portion of their military committed? That's probably game all by itself. And if India takes the opportunity to push China's borders back, hooo boy....


On the whole, the only way that invading Taiwan can work for China, is if the US flinches and refuses to support them, and even that isn't guaranteed to work out. We don't even need to land soldiers on the island (which isn't to say we won't), we just need to shoot down the Chinese air force and sink enough of their navy that they can't support the invasion.

Part of the reason that people react so strongly to you saying we shouldn't get involved, is because you're basically proposing appeasement, because some very corrupt people would benefit alongside everyone else.
 

Jormungandr

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[...]They are in the sole way that actually matters, specifically, MAD deterrence. Any limited non-nuclear war would be unwinnable, since as soon as once side looked like it'd succeed, the other could simply threaten to blow up the world. All it'd do is waste money and lives.
By that logic, any nuclear-armed nation is a peer power to the United States, which isn't true.

While MAD is ultimately the deciding card, in all other areas, China is still a second-string power. Hell, even Russia, as degraded as it is now post-Soviet Union, has more force projection and technological advancement (which is hilarious since a lot of their shit are just updated Soviet designs that should have come out decades ago) going on.
I mean, all types of LGBT (but unsurprisingly not the +) have some people get offended at being in the *Community* nowadays, for various reasons including: not liking the promiscuity, not liking the seemingly forced political positions, etc. But usually its not especially true for Bi people from their perspective. If anything, bi people have to fight some parts of the community to be acknowledged as real. And then some bi people are in straight relationships and told they don't count cause of that.

So this does happen, but also I wouldn't say there's some reason it would focus on bi people.


Totally agree with this. Turing was a hero and Queen is amazing.
I had heard that bisexual people, especially those with hetero partners/opposite gender relationships are basically shit on a lot of the time.

I came across an anecdotal story someone posted on YouTube that lines up with this.

Basically, there was this really beautiful woman (IIRC she also did some modelling at least part-time) who was friends with the OP in college: a lot of blokes joined college courses (namely the high-gear business degree she was going for), just to try to get to know her in the hopes of dating her.

When it came out she "swung both ways", girls joined the course in hoping of dating her, too.

She ended up meeting a bloke she fell in love with, got serious with him, and ended up marrying him. She dropped out of college, became a housewife, and had 2.5 kids with him.

She did it because it made her happy. She openly said that she felt fulfilled and being a wife/mother was what she wanted.

People quickly turned and shit on her for either dropping out of being a businesswoman (in their eyes she gave up on being a "strong, independent woman to be a housewife") or because she dated and settled down with a man, ("she's bisexual! Why is she dating a man!" et cetera) instead of being in a relationship with a woman like she had no choice but to.

The vitriol towards her for her life-choices was honestly quite horrifying... I guess I can see why now. She made all the "wrong choices" in various people's eyes.

Thanks for the perspective. :)

Also, here's an awesome cover of one of their best songs from a collab effort of numerous cover artists I like. :)

 

Urabrask Revealed

Let them go.
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The vitriol towards her for her life-choices was honestly quite horrifying... I guess I can see why now. She made all the "wrong choices" in various people's eyes.
Yeah Bisexuals especially women seem to be shit on if they settle down with men, and most go for Pan because it is one ifbthe alphabet soup and can get away with being more diffrent
Bi, to homosexuals, means essentially "Sleeps with the opposite sex, but *will* settle with one of their own!" So of course they get mad everytime someone dares subvert expectations and becomes a "breeder".
 

Captain X

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Osaul
Bis get shit on by everyone pretty much. You would think gays and lesbians would know better from experience, but nope. There are two main negative reactions within the "community" from what I've seen. First is that bis don't actually exist and are just lying, which is an ironic viewpoint to be sure. The other is a more condescending view that they're actually gay or lesbian, and "just aren't ready to accept it yet." :rolleyes:

As for the story about the woman getting shit on for making the wrong choice - it just goes to show that the regressive left is all about a woman's choice, as long as she doesn't make a choice they don't like. ;)
 

Rocinante

Russian Bot
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The FBI is riddled with open communists and antifa sympathizers and has been for decades. So is the CIA for that matter.
Yeah. For example, They were just going to sit on hunter's laptop forever until a whistle blower exposed them.

A certain member will be in before too long to defend all of them, but I do not trust the letter agencies one bit. They're corrupt and working against the American people's interests.
 

Urabrask Revealed

Let them go.
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Guess the KBG and GRU won the Cold War in the end.
Stalin's probably rolling in his grave with laughter.
Lenin too.
And probably Mao, Pol Pot and the Kim Jong gang.
And all the rest of them
Idk, being likely stuck in Hell at worst isn't exactly something you can lessen the burn by taking comfort in having won anyway. Of course, 's possible they are in Purgatory, but they would stay there much longer than the average.
 

Bear Ribs

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Russia's decided to ban the entire Isekai genre, because it promotes reincarnation and the idea that there could be a better world than the one we're in now. I don't remotely get the reasoning here but I suspect this is actually about something else, possibly just not liking foreign media competing with their own, and the reincarnation thing is an excuse.


 

BlackDragon98

Freikorps Kommandant
Banned - Politics
Russia's decided to ban the entire Isekai genre, because it promotes reincarnation and the idea that there could be a better world than the one we're in now. I don't remotely get the reasoning here but I suspect this is actually about something else, possibly just not liking foreign media competing with their own, and the reincarnation thing is an excuse.


Russian Orthodoxy's last desperate attempt to make itself relevent.
The triumph of hedonism (anime waifus) over religion is final.
 

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