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Urabrask Revealed

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Slate opinion writers being abusive parents.

I bet she often talks about how men should be more open about their feelings, and yet when her teenaged son shares his feelings, her response is to write to a stranger to ask how to fix his feelings. Her son meanwhile is learning the valuable lesson that you never tell a woman how you feel.
Better to be an volcel than being a slave to bitches and whores like her. He'd be better off estrancing himself from her and putting her in a one-star retirement home.
 

Culsu

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I think it's worth pasting her whole letter.

My son is 14, and he’s coping with identity issues that I could really use some advice about. Last night, he was complaining about English class. “All we talk about is stuff like, I dunno. How women are so great and can defend themselves and shit.” Alarm bells, right? I probed a little, and he started getting upset. He talked about the girls in his class being aggressive towards the boys, accusing them of … he wasn’t sure what. Mumbled a few things about sexism, the patriarchy. “You know, this whole ‘kill all men’ thing.’” And with that, he burst into tears. “I’m white—I’m male—and I’m probably straight!” he sobbed (at 14, he maintains that the jury is still out on that last one). “It’s like, I can’t say anything! And the girls, they can say anything they like!” Of course, we talked about those girls being out of line, but also about how real sexism is—that he can be proud of who he is and support feminism (and Black Lives Matter, and LGBTQ rights, etc.) at the same time. And ignore purposefully provocative stuff like #killallmen.

Still, I’m concerned. My feeling is that he’s pretty well inoculated against racist and homophobic propaganda. But clearly, he’s struggling with his masculinity. I really worry that he might stumble across a few clever Jordan Peterson videos and end up falling down some nasty male-power incel rabbit hole … Do you have any advice as to how to deal with this? In particular, do you know of any good age-appropriate books or podcasts or shows or whatever that deal with these topics—especially the “crisis of masculinity”—in a sensitive way? A way that’s in sync with feminist values?

—Feminist Mom in Need of Advice!


This is peak woke cringe. Unquestioningly putting BLM, current feminist and LGBTQ ideology into her son's head all the while he is struggling with the pitfalls said ideologies already put into his path? Any parent who idelogizes their children like that really is unfit for the job.
 
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Rocinante

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I think it's worth pasting her whole letter.

My son is 14, and he’s coping with identity issues that I could really use some advice about. Last night, he was complaining about English class. “All we talk about is stuff like, I dunno. How women are so great and can defend themselves and shit.” Alarm bells, right? I probed a little, and he started getting upset. He talked about the girls in his class being aggressive towards the boys, accusing them of … he wasn’t sure what. Mumbled a few things about sexism, the patriarchy. “You know, this whole ‘kill all men’ thing.’” And with that, he burst into tears. “I’m white—I’m male—and I’m probably straight!” he sobbed (at 14, he maintains that the jury is still out on that last one). “It’s like, I can’t say anything! And the girls, they can say anything they like!” Of course, we talked about those girls being out of line, but also about how real sexism is—that he can be proud of who he is and support feminism (and Black Lives Matter, and LGBTQ rights, etc.) at the same time. And ignore purposefully provocative stuff like #killallmen.

Still, I’m concerned. My feeling is that he’s pretty well inoculated against racist and homophobic propaganda. But clearly, he’s struggling with his masculinity. I really worry that he might stumble across a few clever Jordan Peterson videos and end up falling down some nasty male-power incel rabbit hole … Do you have any advice as to how to deal with this? In particular, do you know of any good age-appropriate books or podcasts or shows or whatever that deal with these topics—especially the “crisis of masculinity”—in a sensitive way? A way that’s in sync with feminist values?

—Feminist Mom in Need of Advice!


This is peak woke cringe. Unquestioningly putting BLM, current feminist and LGBTQ ideology into her son's head all the while he is struggling with the pitfalls said ideologies already put into his path? Any parent who idelogizes their children like that really is unfit for the job.
A male father figure to tell him the truth, and that these feelings are okay, and how to deal with them like a man.

That's what the poor boy needs.

Instead he gets a mom that's just as bad as the girls making him cry. His own cunt of a mom is on the internet calling him an incel. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

This poor kid could actually use some Jordan Peterson. He's like a father figure for people who didn't have dads or had dad's who didn't give good fatherly lessons. I suspect that's why the liberals hate him so much. They most likely hate their dads, too.

That's those who actually have read any of his material in context of course. 99% of people who hate him have never consumed any of his work in context. They just view or read excerpts taken out of context in hit pieces and you can tell every time you talk to one of them because they repeat the same claims but then can't back them up without copy/pasting the same shit as everyone else.

One of the quickest ways to tell if someone is an unhinged lefty: find out their opinion on Jordan Peterson. Because anyone who is even remotely sane and legitimately doesn't like him, will at least admit he's just a rambly milquetoast Christian self help author.
 
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Captain X

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Wargamer08

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A male father figure to tell him the truth, and that these feelings are okay, and how to deal with them like a man.

That's what the poor boy needs.

Instead he gets a mom that's just as bad as the girls making him cry. His own cunt of a mom is on the internet calling him an incel. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

This poor kid could actually use some Jordan Peterson. He's like a father figure for people who didn't have dads or had dad's who didn't give good fatherly lessons. I suspect that's why the liberals hate him so much. They most likely hate their dads, too.

That's those who actually have read any of his material in context of course. 99% of people who hate him have never consumed any of his work in context. They just view or read excerpts taken out of context in hit pieces and you can tell every time you talk to one of them because they repeat the same claims but then can't back them up without copy/pasting the same shit as everyone else.

One of the quickest ways to tell if someone is an unhinged lefty: find out their opinion on Jordan Peterson. Because anyone who is even remotely sane and legitimately doesn't like him, will at least admit he's just a rambly milquetoast Christian self help author.
That’s unfair. I’m hardly a lefty and I hate Jordan Peterson because he’s a rambling loon who’s books are unreadable crazed stream of thought trash that includes various fucked up stuff Peterson should not be admitting to. That he’s held as any kind of right wing thinker at all is laughable.

The man openly admits he is not Christian, and also admits he’s an old school leftist. His feats are running over a dumb as a rock reporter and somehow having the interview published and taking a stand against the absolute craziest of the pronoun nonsense. Then mysteriously not being fired in the backlash.

Dude’s a drug using, burnout who had to go to Russia for rehab. Anyone using his or his works as some sort of guide to right wing views is misinformed at best.
 

LordsFire

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Dude’s a drug using, burnout who had to go to Russia for rehab. Anyone using his or his works as some sort of guide to right wing views is misinformed at best.

Wow. That's one of the most unfair characterizations I've heard since the last time a leftist politician opened their mouth.

I'm curious, have you not watched/listened to his lectures, or do you just not understand him well?

Because while he's not a Christian, like 90% of what he teaches fits directly with Christian ethics, and I'm honestly trying to figure out how you came up with such a negative opinion of him.
 

Wargamer08

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Wow. That's one of the most unfair characterizations I've heard since the last time a leftist politician opened their mouth.

I'm curious, have you not watched/listened to his lectures, or do you just not understand him well?

Because while he's not a Christian, like 90% of what he teaches fits directly with Christian ethics, and I'm honestly trying to figure out how you came up with such a negative opinion of him.
So my introduction to him was hearing about the whole brouhaha with his interview. I thought the most impressive thing about the interview is that it didn’t get buried like stuff like that tends to. But he kept getting pushed so I picked up his books as I prefer reading to listening to videos. His books are really, really bad. I’m talking incestious desires, weird dream interpretation stuff and a bunch of new age gobbledygook.

From the few videos of his I skimmed I would say he’s more classical western civilization then anything Christian. So, Christian by accident. Some of his stuff seemed like it was reversing cause and effect in that way.

Then there is his personal life, where the man is an ongoing train wreck. For someone preaching control and ownership over yourself and you surrounding like he does it comes across really badly.

I view him as pro civilization but hardly right wing and as someone who had a suspicion amount of media assistance for a supposedly right wing thinker.
 

LordsFire

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So my introduction to him was hearing about the whole brouhaha with his interview. I thought the most impressive thing about the interview is that it didn’t get buried like stuff like that tends to. But he kept getting pushed so I picked up his books as I prefer reading to listening to videos. His books are really, really bad. I’m talking incestious desires, weird dream interpretation stuff and a bunch of new age gobbledygook.

I haven't read him, just listened, and he presents clear chains of logic and conclusions. I can believe that his books covered nasty stuff, but that doesn't change the validity of his conclusions, and how well-supported most of them are.

He isn't right on everything, but he's right on about 90% of things about day-to-day living, and anybody teaching people to be responsible, exercise self-discipline, treat people with respect, and try to alleviate suffering in the world, is much closer to an ally than an enemy.

Also, having a horrible reaction to prescribed medication that ended up being addictive is not remotely the same as being a junkie, especially when he went through the near-fatal process of getting off of them and succeeded.
 

Wargamer08

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I haven't read him, just listened, and he presents clear chains of logic and conclusions. I can believe that his books covered nasty stuff, but that doesn't change the validity of his conclusions, and how well-supported most of them are.

He isn't right on everything, but he's right on about 90% of things about day-to-day living, and anybody teaching people to be responsible, exercise self-discipline, treat people with respect, and try to alleviate suffering in the world, is much closer to an ally than an enemy.

Also, having a horrible reaction to prescribed medication that ended up being addictive is not remotely the same as being a junkie, especially when he went through the near-fatal process of getting off of them and succeeded.
I think we have unreconcilably opposed views of the man. This is the same guy who claimed apple juice caused him to say awake for a week uninterrupted. Apple juice doesn’t do that, but several hard drugs can.

I didn’t think I said I had any issues with his talks. I just found them quite basic, very difficult to listen to because of how much he rambled on and underwhelming. I’m sure they helped some people, and that’s good, but so do self help seminars and no one calls them right wing figureheads.
 

Jormungandr

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And people say "feminism" these days isn't about brainwashing, gender superiority, and abuse? That poor teen is going to finish growing completely messed in the head.

Worse still is the reaction from the girls in his class: His peers are lapping up this indoctrination because it teaches them that they're inherently superior to their male peers.
 

Wargamer08

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And people say "feminism" these days isn't about brainwashing, gender superiority, and abuse? That poor teen is going to finish growing completely messed in the head.

Worse still is the reaction from the girls in his class: His peers are lapping up this indoctrination because it teaches them that they're inherently superior to their male peers.
I think the best example I've read of that is this blog article. UTOPIA: what would a women’s society look like? From over six years ago, it's a real gem. I had to keep reminding my self as I went through it that this person is not joking, that this isn't a parody. That the comments from people supporting it were serious as well. This is the kind of stuff feminism regards as good, and it's certainly chilling.
 

Cherico

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I think the best example I've read of that is this blog article. UTOPIA: what would a women’s society look like? From over six years ago, it's a real gem. I had to keep reminding my self as I went through it that this person is not joking, that this isn't a parody. That the comments from people supporting it were serious as well. This is the kind of stuff feminism regards as good, and it's certainly chilling.


There is a reason that a civilization becomes incredibly traditionalist once modernity ends and why that process normally lasts for centuries.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
I think the best example I've read of that is this blog article. UTOPIA: what would a women’s society look like? From over six years ago, it's a real gem. I had to keep reminding my self as I went through it that this person is not joking, that this isn't a parody. That the comments from people supporting it were serious as well. This is the kind of stuff feminism regards as good, and it's certainly chilling.

Well, I, for one, am completely comfortable calling that person a fascist. :)


There is a reason that a civilization becomes incredibly traditionalist once modernity ends and why that process normally lasts for centuries.

I actually hope not. I'd really prefer it if the pendulum didn't swing that far in the other direction.
 

Rocinante

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I think we have unreconcilably opposed views of the man. This is the same guy who claimed apple juice caused him to say awake for a week uninterrupted. Apple juice doesn’t do that, but several hard drugs can.

I didn’t think I said I had any issues with his talks. I just found them quite basic, very difficult to listen to because of how much he rambled on and underwhelming. I’m sure they helped some people, and that’s good, but so do self help seminars and no one calls them right wing figureheads.
Well here's your problem.

You don't like him because he's not a right wing figurehead.

He's not. He doesn't claim to be. I wasn't claiming he is. And the only people who claim he is, are the lefties who are attacking him.

It seems you don't like him because he doesn't live up to the expectations you had of him from lefty hit pieces.

Which is a little weird if you ask me.

I agree that he's too rambly.

But the core of his message is pretty in line with Christian morality. On top of that, it's mostly solid advice. Do you have criticisms of the advice he gives? The core of his message is things like: you need meaning to feel whole. You find meaning in being responsible, in having goals and aiming for them, in self improvement. If it seems too much, you can start small and build up. Even something as small as picking up a stack of papers. Clean your room, both in the literal and metaphorical sense. Extreme ideologies like naziism and communism are bad. Hierarchical structures are natural and unavoidable and are not bad, but can be corrupted by power and become bad. Meritocracy is good. Free speech is good and you should speak out about what you believe, and be prepared to be confronted by the fact that you might be wrong about things. Do work to better the world, but only after you've got yourself in order first.

As for him being an addict: I've been there too. But in his situation, it is more "dependence" than addiction. While addiction and chemical dependency are often interchangeable terms, they mean different things. Addiction involves the mental portion as well. Seeking out the drugs, the social behaviors, etc. Chemical dependency is just your body becoming dependent on a substance. Which benzos do. And benzo withdrawal is very dangerous and can kill you. He almost died getting off the stuff once he realized it was a problem. Having gone through the same thing with SSRIs (not the near death, but 21 days of Absolute HELL) I can relate and I don't fault him.

Besides, as an alcoholic (4 years clean,) I also don't think having an addiction in your past means you can't give good advice. Quite the contrary. A lot of addiction counselors and everyone you meet in support groups are addicts themselves. They often make better counselors because they truly understand, rather than just academically understand. So even if you wanted to dismiss my dependency/addiction argument, I still don't think it's a deal breaker. Taking advice on how to deal with anxiety and depression from someone who has spent their life fighting that battle, seems fine to me. They're intimately familiar with that battle. Wouldn't you want to take training on being an elite soldier from an elite soldier? You want someone with experience to teach you. So him facing depression and anxiety, again, doesn't make him unqualified to give advice in those areas.

You simultaneously sound like a leftist hitpiece who didn't consume any of his work, and also upset that he doesn't live up to the claims in the hitpieces. Now, you said you read one of his books, and I'll take your word for it. But you don't seem to have picked up on the core of the message he's trying to convey. It seems you're disappointed because you wanted a right wing attack dog, and what you got was a milquetoast self help author. The right wing attack dog stuff are just lefty lies and attacks. He's just a self help author who has managed to piss off a large portion of the left, for the simple fact that he reaches disenfranchised young white males.
 
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