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[Rorschach]

Well, to each his own. I personally never eat anything that isn't sold in a store.

Yeah because you're a little bitch, I've hunted everything that's walked or flied across Europe or America.

I'm going for Asia and Africa next.

 

[mrttao]

And that's the reason why any sensible group would abandon you in a survival situation, cuz you'd be to busy whining in the corner about everything being too gross to actually contribute.

I care about busybodies trying to tell me what I should or should not eat, if they were trying to ban me from eating insects I'd be protesting just as much. Whereas you probably wouldn't give a fuck because you only stand on personal convenience rather than personal principle.

It's that kind of weak and soft headed thinking that leads to us not being able to buy raw milk/cheese in our grocery stores.

TL;DR

Complaining about bugs being 'gross' makes you sound like a little girl, you're taking the right position for the wrong reasons.

He didn't say "I would not ever eat them"
He said "I would not willingly eat them"

When you are forced by other people or circumstances, you eat the bugs to survive. But you are doing so under duress.
I personally agree with him. When not under duress, I refuse to eat bugs.

 

[mrttao]

Our ancestors also drank water from the same rivers that we dumped sewage in. Without boiling it.

Ackshually, our ancestors drank beer only. because they knew you die if you drink water.

 

[Scottty]

Well, to each his own. I personally never eat anything that isn't sold in a store.

Have you never in your life picked fruit off a tree and eaten it?

 

[King Arts]

Our ancestors also drank water from the same rivers that we dumped sewage in. Without boiling it.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about if you spout enlightenment propaganda. No medieval people knew to not drink from water sources where they dumped their refuse. It wasn't fucking India. They did not know to boil water to kill germs though that is right.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

He didn't say "I would not ever eat them"
He said "I would not willingly eat them"

When you are forced by other people or circumstances, you eat the bugs to survive. But you are doing so under duress.
I personally agree with him. When not under duress, I refuse to eat bugs.

That was my actual original point. But I saw no reason in arguing with a internet tough guy.

 

[Vyor]

You obviously don't know what you are talking about if you spout enlightenment propaganda. No medieval people knew to not drink from water sources where they dumped their refuse. It wasn't fucking India. They did not know to boil water to kill germs though that is right.

Yeah...

that was just something the "enlightenment" people did.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Have you never in your life picked fruit off a tree and eaten it?

Never. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure if I've even seen one.

 

[Vyor]

Soli is the dumb city guy that doesn't know what a farm looks like from the air, confirmed.

 

[Jormungandr]

Ackshually, our ancestors drank beer only. because they knew you die if you drink water.

Yeah: They drank basically watered down beer because the alcohol in it killed most of the pathogens in water, while it also kept them hydrated because it was still mostly water.

Also, a fun fact: Ancient Egyptian "beer" was actually more of a mildly alcoholic gruel full of nutrients than the liquid beer seen in modern times.

 

[Vyor]

Yeah: They drank basically watered down beer because the alcohol in it killed most of the pathogens in water, while it also kept them hydrated because it was still mostly water.

Also, a fun fact: Ancient Egyptian "beer" was actually more of a mildly alcoholic gruel full of nutrients than the liquid beer seen in modern times.

This is not actually true.

 

[Scottty]

Never. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure if I've even seen one.

Have you ever walked barefoot along a beach?
Have you ever caught fish from a river with a fishing-line?

 

[mrttao]

This is not actually true.

You don't think alcohol kills pathogens?

 

[Jormungandr]

This is not actually true.

It's one of the reasons why beer was so popular, its alcohol buzz aside. It was safe to drink.

 

[shangrila]

No agricultural worker could to afford to drink all beer, and small beer had way too little alcohol to actually kill microorganisms if further diluted. The idea of using alcohol to purify water was an early modern phenomenon for people with access to New World rum.

Hard physical labor requires way more hydration than modern office workers. Spring water was of course preferred, and Roman aqueducts try to bring that to the cities, but post Roman Europeans totally drank untreated river water. Which is why cities were disastrous population sinks well into the 19th Century.

 

[Marduk]

But the thing is what I said about you I don't think is an insult. It's not like I said "You are stupid." But you could be offended by what I said. So I thought it would be best to tag you so that if you disagreed you could say I'm full of shit, or mischaracterizing you.

Don't play such games with me. You clearly meant it in a negative way.

Dude you went full @Marduk you never go full Marduk interpreting what I said in the dumbest way possible.

If it's been like that for generations then it would be traditional to adhere to it.

And don't play a term switch on me either. Traditional and conservative are different terms and they are not interchangeable.

Again adopting Islam is not conservative in Europe, because it is leaving what was traditional and bringing in a new religion and way. In fact adopting Christianity in Europe is traditional since that was the way the people have been raised until recently.

As above.

The same in the middle east adopting Christianity would not be traditional(even though the middle east used to be Christian before Islam took over) because in the middle east Islam is the traditional position right now and has been for hundreds of years. That doesn't mean being conservative there is good, in fact adopting new things and changing to Christianity would be good. Do you deny that the Muslim nations should instead change to be Christian?

On top of that "traditional" also comes down to a question of "whose tradition". For example leftists in San Francisco celebrate pride month since decades, so it's traditional for them. But does that make it a tradition for their neighbors who don't?

 

[King Arts]

Don't play such games with me. You clearly meant it in a negative way.

Do you deny that you interpret what I say through the worst/dumbest lens?

And don't play a term switch on me either. Traditional and conservative are different terms and they are not interchangeable.

I’ve seen people use it synonymously.

How do you define them.

On top of that "traditional" also comes down to a question of "whose tradition". For example leftists in San Francisco celebrate pride month since decades, so it's traditional for them. But does that make it a tradition for their neighbors who don't?

Yes San Francisco is traditionally a gay friendly town.

 

[Jormungandr]

No agricultural worker could to afford to drink all beer, and small beer had way too little alcohol to actually kill microorganisms if further diluted. The idea of using alcohol to purify water was an early modern phenomenon for people with access to New World rum.

Hard physical labor requires way more hydration than modern office workers. Spring water was of course preferred, and Roman aqueducts try to bring that to the cities, but post Roman Europeans totally drank untreated river water. Which is why cities were disastrous population sinks well into the 19th Century.

Huh, that makes sense.

 

[Marduk]

Do you deny that you interpret what I say through the worst/dumbest lens?

Oh i could interpret it far worse than that.

I’ve seen people use it synonymously.

So? People make all sorts of mistakes in this sort of thing. If you follow idiots mindlessly, what does that make you?

How do you define them.

Learn your fucking language:

conservatism

1. the quality of not usually liking or trusting change, especially sudden…

dictionary.cambridge.org

traditionalism

1. the belief in, or act of following, traditional ideas and ways of doing…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Yes San Francisco is traditionally a gay friendly town.

So it's the tradition of the quarter million Muslims living there too?

Bay Area Muslim Study - ISPU

ispu.org

 

[mrttao]

No agricultural worker could to afford to drink all beer, and small beer had way too little alcohol to actually kill microorganisms if further diluted. The idea of using alcohol to purify water was an early modern phenomenon for people with access to New World rum.

Hard physical labor requires way more hydration than modern office workers. Spring water was of course preferred, and Roman aqueducts try to bring that to the cities, but post Roman Europeans totally drank untreated river water. Which is why cities were disastrous population sinks well into the 19th Century.

that... sounds reasonable.

although, society was not made up entirely of unskilled laborers. many people had a trade. and a middle class did exist even in the dark ages.

even if the poor doing hard labor couldn't afford to live on beer. middle class and upper class should have been able to afford it.

actually wait.
hmm... so I came across this interesting bit

Five things our research uncovered when we recreated 16th century beer (and barrels)

At Christchurch Cathedral in Dublin masons received up to 15 pints a day as payment.

theconversation.com

Where as part of a major archeological project they recreated the beer used in dublin ireland in the 16th century based on records of daily use.

It is interesting to note that they did in fact all drink beer. even the poor hard laborers. who received beer as part of their payment for their work.

The estimation of medieval beer being 2% alcohol is apparently false. it comes out as 5% alcohol beer. Although to be fair that was irish beer in 16th century. maybe other places were different. such as the gruel beer of ancient egypt.

And as for drinking it instead of water...

1. People didn't drink beer because water was unhealthy[/H2]
It's often assumed that lack of access to clean water led people to drink beer instead. We know this isn't true for many reasons, not least because brewers needed a constant source of fresh water to make the best beer.

Water was certainly viewed as less healthy, but not because of any understanding of microbial contamination. According to a system of medicine and treatment used at the time, Galenic humorism, water was a "cold" drink that affected digestion, causing fluctuations and windiness. Meanwhile, beer was "warm and comforting", balancing the "humours" and quenching thirst.

I disagree with their conclusion based on their own research.
People did not need to know about modern microbiology to know the water was unhealthy.

If they believed the water was unhealthy because of demons. magic. leprechauns. or any other mystical nonsense it would not make a difference.
At the end of the day it still meant they are correctly avoiding the water and correctly believe the water is bad for you. But they believe it for the wrong reasons (they believe it because of magic, not because of biology).

This is a simple case of cultural evolution. families that did not believe there are magical reasons why water is bad and beer is good drank the water and died.
Families that believed the water is bad and beer is good for magic reasons drank beer and survived to reproduce. passing on their beliefs that water bad, beer good.

in this case. they explicitly state that their research shows that they explicitly believed that water is unhealthy because it is "cold and chills the humors".
While believing that beer is healthy because it is a "warm and comforting drink that balances the humors".

they were right about beer being healthy and water unhealthy. their reasoning WHY this was was completely wrong. the humor theory is nonsense. it was because of parasites and bacteria in the water.

This conclusion smacks of trying too hard to disprove a "myth".

Of course the research could be nonsense. I have not dug too deeply into the sources there to verify their authenticity