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[Abhorsen]

If the capital-C "philosophical Capitalists" making it matter are a rarely-relevant navel-gazing fringe continuously ignored by the economic system since it started being a thing, it very much is.

Only it isn't rarely relevant. The idea that capitalism is moral had a significant impact in the cold war, for example.

These "corollaries" are what distinguishes it from the preceding trade negotiations of Merchantilism.

Not at all. This just shows ignorance. Mercantilism had shares, etc. The difference between Mercantilism and Capitalism is free trade.

Capitalism doesn't do that, and the anarchist derivative is plagued by this as the market has absolutely no preventative power. I have mentioned this quite a number of times, and you have never offered an answer to resulting the problem of cutting costs by inflicting externalities. Market corrections and lawsuits do not cure cancer, and as an externality those at fault can trivially end up with their lifetime assets being a miniscule fraction of the cost to make those harmed whole even when there is a full recompense for every problem caused.

Market corrections and lawsuits do however, correct for externality incentives, making people less inclind to do them in the future. Capitalism is not utopian. It doesn't promise perfection or control. It's not based on outcomes (though the outcomes are nice). The argument for capitalism is an individualist argument that other people do not have a claim on your labor unless you consent. It's an argument based on actions, not outcomes of actions.

But that's not even the issue here. The issue is that people once again are flocking to the idea of centralized control of the economy and state control of the individual with the argument "but we are the good guys this time" and they get away with it by being on the right.

 

[mrttao]

@Abhorsen to me it seems that @AnimalNoodles and @Morphic Tide have an issue with monopolistic capitalism rather than capitalism as whole.

Like all "adjective capitalism"s, monopolistic capitalism is literally socialism.

Hypothetically you could have monopolism without socialism.
But in reality that is never ever the case. Because they always bribe the govt. And then the govt intervenes to protect and promote the monopoly through the methods of socialism.

In ancient times this intervention was in the form of Royal Companies. Where they openly went "these guys bribed the king, so he is giving them a Royal Monopoly". They learned it is better to use socialism for it instead, as socialism is purpose built for bribery and corruption. So in modern era all monopolies always destroy capitalism through the process of govt bribery and socialism.

Somehow people who hate "capitalism" never seem to notice how the very fundamental principles of capitalism are violated in that way.

Also, they never seem to notice how socialism and communism is fundamentally both evil and corrupt from the get go. While capitalism is ok UNTIL it transforms into socialism by someone forming a monopoly and destroying the capitalist system.

 

[mrttao]

Exactly. They are falling into the trap Marx left: that a critique of a capitalist is a valid critique of the moral system of Capitalism. In short, they hate Marx not because he is wrong on a deep fundamental level, but because Marx's 'solution' is different from their 'solution'. Capitalism is in fact moral.

Marx wasn't critiquing capitalism.
Marx critiqued the middle class and the monarchy.

He argued that thanks to industrialization, the nobility class is gone.
Reducing society to two classes. The poor and the borgouise (decadent. aka middle class).
And that we need to kill anyone who is not poor so we can all be poor together.

 

[Terthna]

Like all "adjective capitalism"s, monopolistic capitalism is literally socialism.

Hypothetically you could have monopolism without socialism.
But in reality that is never ever the case. Because they always bribe the govt. And then the govt intervenes to protect and promote the monopoly through the methods of socialism.

In ancient times this intervention was in the form of Royal Companies. Where they openly went "these guys bribed the king, so he is giving them a Royal Monopoly". They learned it is better to use socialism for it instead, as socialism is purpose built for bribery and corruption. So in modern era all monopolies always destroy capitalism through the process of govt bribery and socialism.

Somehow people who hate "capitalism" never seem to notice how the very fundamental principles of capitalism are violated in that way.

Also, they never seem to notice how socialism and communism is fundamentally both evil and corrupt from the get go. While capitalism is ok UNTIL it transforms into socialism by someone forming a monopoly and destroying the capitalist system.

The regressive left has done a good job blaming all of the problems caused by socialism on capitalism, and thereby justify shifting our economy even further towards the former; causing even more problems they'll use to justify making things even worse.

 

[Vyor]

Either you have an unplanned economy (the name for this is free market capitalism btw)

This is why I fucking hate libertarians.

Stop redefining words.

 

[Abhorsen]

In more reasons to stop trusting cops, Daniel Penny should have known to shut up. You should also know to shut up after a self defense incident.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

"Bootlicking" == Realizing the important role police play in protecting society.

Anyways, I wouldn't mind legislation that bans police from forcing confessions.

 

[Typhonis]

How about a law that ends asset forfeiture?

 

[Abhorsen]

"Bootlicking" == Realizing the important role police play in protecting society.

Anyways, I wouldn't mind legislation that bans police from forcing confessions.

The important role they play arresting pastors for preaching during covid (see Trump's ex-nominee for DEA)? Or the role they play trying to get an innocent man to confess to murder?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

How about a law that ends asset forfeiture?

Pre-emptive? Absolutely.

After conviction. Take it. Though, there should be standards to address appeals.

 

[Typhonis]

Pre-emptive? Absolutely.

After conviction. Take it. Though, there should be standards to address appeals.

Of course. I'm all about due process and following procedure. Maybe appoint someone who has no ...'horse in the race' to determine what and how much is forfeited?

give the recommendations to the judge and explain why those choices were made.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

The important role they play arresting pastors for preaching during covid (see Trump's ex-nominee for DEA)? Or the role they play trying to get an innocent man to confess to murder?

The former is fine, but the latter needs to be illegal.

Not that anyone will care, of course.

 

[Abhorsen]

The former is fine, but the latter needs to be illegal.

Not that anyone will care, of course.

The former is worse. And enough people cared that he got effectively un-nominated.

 

[ATP]

No. Capitalism is far more than just a system to allocate resources, it's a moral system that reject the planning of economies and expropriation. Your attempt to deny this, while also claiming you don't like planned economies, is self contradictory. Either you have an unplanned economy (the name for this is free market capitalism btw), or you want to have a goal for the economy (which needs to be enforced by an outside force, which means a planned economy/expropriation).

Free market capitalism is the natural state of the economy, and according to Capitalism, it is the moral state of the economy because of the lack of force.

The woke right, btw? It's real, as ugly as the term is:
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Lol. Literally what I pointed out: there are people who will look to Fascism (race communism) to save them from Wokism (gay race communism).

But...Hitler first allied with communism,and later lost to it thanks to his own stupidity....so,how coping loser could help us?
Becouse loser remain loser even if he genocide people.

 

[Rocinante]

The former is fine, but the latter needs to be illegal.

Not that anyone will care, of course.

It absolutely is not fucking fine, wtf is wrong with you? You dislike religion so much that you're okay with them being arrested for daring to gather together and worship?

It's wrong. Period. It would be wrong if these were just atheists getting together for dinner, too.

Arresting people for gathering during covid? There is no excuse for it. Period.

 

[Typhonis]

We have the Freedom to Assemble here in the US and the House investigation into Covid said the law may not supercede the Constitution. Besides where were all of the Democrat arrests when they gathered together and partied?

 

[StormEagle]

It absolutely is not fucking fine, wtf is wrong with you? You dislike religion so much that you're okay with them being arrested for daring to gather together and worship?

It's wrong. Period. It would be wrong if these were just atheists getting together for dinner, too.

Arresting people for gathering during covid? There is no excuse for it. Period.

He’s literally a fedora tipper so lost in the sauce it verges on parody. I honestly do not think I could come up with an atheist character as insultingly bad as Soli is.

He’s the kind of person that looks at what the French were doing to the Catholics in the revolution, that would probably say:

“This is fine. Filthy papists deserved it.”

I would not be surprised if he says that at this stage.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

a fedora tipper

Hey! What's wrong with fedoras!?

 

[StormEagle]

Hey! What's wrong with fedoras!?

The people they’re associated with.

Don’t blame me, blame the atheist extremist for tainting a decent hat.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

You dislike religion so much that you're okay with them being arrested for daring to gather together and worship?

Look, man, we both know that that's not why he was arrested. He was deliberately making a nuisance of himself so he could con some funds out of gullible Christians by screaming about religious persecution.

So I don't really mind if he has to work a little for his new mansion.